Community Discussion and Moderation Feedback

[Crjunior35]

Hi, I have another suggestion. How about a thread where it shows who was banned and why. Basically as an example:

Cjunior35 has been banned for 2 weeks for using aggressive language:

Cjunior35 "this is so stupid"

Something like that.

That was something that bothered me in Era and Neogaf where people were banned and the only way to find out what happened was if someone had read the thread and the post that had a warning.

 

[MysticGon]

Hi, I have another suggestion. How about a thread about banned people? Basically as an example:

Cjunior35 has been banned for 2 weeks for using aggressive language:



Something like that.

What purpose would that serve?

 

[Crjunior35]

What purpose would that serve?

I edited the post and added the reason why I suggest it.

 

[zroid]

Hi, I have another suggestion. How about a thread where it shows who was banned and why. Basically as an example:

Cjunior35 has been banned for 2 weeks for using aggressive language:



Something like that.

That was something that bothered me in Era and Neogaf where people were banned and the only way to find out what happened was if someone had read the thread and the post that had a warning.

this already exists though? maybe not exactly how you are thinking but the banned user list seems good enough to me. if you weren't aware of it, the link is near the top of the page.

 

[Crjunior35]

this already exists though? maybe not exactly how you are thinking but the banned user list seems good enough to me. if you weren't aware of it, the link is near the top of the page.

Yeah, I wasn't aware. Sorry!

 

[zroid]

2. Xenoblade 2 talk - is this forum the place for discussions about how some people (strongly) feel about certain aspects of the game ? I love the game, but the same question could be asked about Pokemon games quality (games which are of no interest to me except from a sales point of view). Or any other game where there are contrarian groups, some of them very loud and eager to derail. These discussions always lead nowhere except to derails.
I believe this forum is not the place for such discussions (except perhaps from a pure sales point of view, without directly or in a roundabout way insulting people who hold other opinions)- but if it indeed is not, what can be done to prevent this? Is there some rule one can enforce? Maybe "thread derail" ?

2. This is difficult to solve and we also haven't found a conclusive answer for this problem. We want to focus on gaming sales, but talking about gaming sales will lead to gaming discussions. We know that gaming discussions can cause huge arguments so we wanted to avoid it, but these discussion do keep popping up. My personal opinion is we need some sort of area to round up these misc topics that are unrelated to sales, but nothing is on the table yet.

My thoughts on this kind of thing also echo what @Jaysc said in that I don't know if it's possible to stay 100% "on topic" all the time, since these are natural tangents to go on, and when people are opinionated about something they will, inevitably, share their opinions on it.

I'm not sure if this will work in every situation, but I think one thing that might help in the case of Xenoblade 2 discourse for example, is to ask that if people want to discuss non-sales topics then make an attempt at least to centre the conversation around possible impacts on sales and the industry. Doesn't necessarily have to imply a direct correlation but let's say someone is making the argument "Sexualization of characters in XC2 is bad" then explain why they think that will have a negative impact on either sales or the success or image of any associated brands or products (or, conversely, why they think less sexualization will have a positive impact on such things). Maybe if discussions have a focus point in this way, it will keep things from derailing too much, and also help keep people from becoming too heated with respect to whatever they are opinionated about.

 

[ktpoison]

More of a question than a feedback, but, are bans only programmed to be "Forever"? Last time The Chairman was banned, their ban was listed as "Forever" in the banned users list. Now, despite their ban being catalogued in the ban message as "duration pending", it is listed as "Forever" there once again. To clarify, I'm not saying that The Chairman should or should not be banned forever, it's just a question!

 

[Pooroomoo]

My thoughts on this kind of thing also echo what @Jaysc said in that I don't know if it's possible to stay 100% "on topic" all the time, since these are natural tangents to go on, and when people are opinionated about something they will, inevitably, share their opinions on it.

I'm not sure if this will work in every situation, but I think one thing that might help in the case of Xenoblade 2 discourse for example, is to ask that if people want to discuss non-sales topics then make an attempt at least to centre the conversation around possible impacts on sales and the industry. Doesn't necessarily have to imply a direct correlation but let's say someone is making the argument "Sexualization of characters in XC2 is bad" then explain why they think that will have a negative impact on either sales or the success or image of any associated brands or products (or, conversely, why they think less sexualization will have a positive impact on such things). Maybe if discussions have a focus point in this way, it will keep things from derailing too much, and also help keep people from becoming too heated with respect to whatever they are opinionated about.

Sure. My main problem though is how things are said, not the point of view of the person itself. if someone says "In my opinion Xenoblade 2 is way oversexualized" that is completely fine in my book, especially if they then talk about sales implications. But when someone says "Some say its only melon boobs and sex robots and some weird stuff with child like characters, and they are right" and later "Xeno2 is all about "pandering". From sexualized camera angels to the porno trope of the shy, melon breasted main character in stripper outfit." I feel this is very aggressive and toxic, meant to provoke a reaction and not a discussion. And it makes the discussion for the person who wanted to discuss sales unbearable, even when they actually agree the game could have toned a few aspects down and that it might have had some effect on sales (or not, who knows).

 

[zroid]

Sure. My main problem though is how things are said, not the point of view of the person itself. if someone says "In my opinion Xenoblade 2 is way oversexualized" that is completely fine in my book, especially if they then talk about sales implications. But when someone says "Some say its only melon boobs and sex robots and some weird stuff with child like characters, and they are right" and later "Xeno2 is all about "pandering". From sexualized camera angels to the porno trope of the shy, melon breasted main character in stripper outfit." I feel this is very aggressive and toxic, meant to provoke a reaction and not a discussion. And it makes the discussion for the person who wanted to discuss sales unbearable, even when they actually agree the game could have toned a few aspects down and that it might have had some effect on sales (or not, who knows).

Yeah, I get you. I think maybe if there is a directive to keep things more grounded in a "sales theme" that might prevent the sorts of provocative hyperbole that becomes inevitable in heated and opinionated discussions. It won't necessarily curtail discussion, just keep it focused. Maybe. It's just an idea.

 

[Aquamarine]

Yeah, I get you. I think maybe if there is a directive to keep things more grounded in a "sales theme" that might prevent the sorts of provocative hyperbole that becomes inevitable in heated and opinionated discussions. It won't necessarily curtail discussion, just keep it focused. Maybe. It's just an idea.

The idea behind keeping this space small, private, & sales-focused is to help prevent emotionally-charged tangents. It works to the extent that by avoiding controversial topics we are able to forgo a lot of potential conflict.

However, it's hard to further curtail the issues that do arise here because in my opinion it's a built-in flaw of social media itself. Any discussion-based forum accessible to the public is by definition confrontational. That's why moderators are still necessary to help cool tensions when they escalate to inappropriate ad hominem.

I'm not quite sure how you would eliminate that within threads without having a dampening effect on all discussion. At the end of the day, people still need topics to discuss and everyone expresses themselves uniquely. In general, I think the moderators here are successful at providing a good balance between encouraging data-based conclusions without heavy-handed censorship.

As a data scientist, I personally prefer rigorous, in-depth data analyses & statistical modeling wherever possible, but I recognize that it's hard to build a community around that.

 

[Jaysc]

More of a question than a feedback, but, are bans only programmed to be "Forever"? Last time The Chairman was banned, their ban was listed as "Forever" in the banned users list. Now, despite their ban being catalogued in the ban message as "duration pending", it is listed as "Forever" there once again. To clarify, I'm not saying that The Chairman should or should not be banned forever, it's just a question!

The ban was put in place late at night for most of the mods. I believe they'll be reviewing the actual duration (could be temp or permanent) soon.

 

[Abzeronow]

I'll definitely say that it's a tricky balancing act to discuss how a game depicts sexualization of its characters and not get heated hyperbolic arguments while making sure the thread isn't handwaving concerns about it/creating a "boys club" atmosphere. So far I think IB mods are doing well in achieving that balance.

 

[Pooroomoo]

I'll definitely say that it's a tricky balancing act to discuss how a game depicts sexualization of its characters and not get heated hyperbolic arguments while making sure the thread isn't handwaving concerns about it/creating a "boys club" atmosphere. So far I think IB mods are doing well in achieving that balance.

Here's the thing though - why should there be in this forum a discussion about "how a game depicts sexualization of its characters"? Of course when you get down to that level of discussion, things will get heated. That there is a certain level of sexualization in the game is something all sides will agree on, and it is fine to discuss if people think what they see helps the game sales or hurts them, but beyond that? There are countless other forums to discuss that. And before you call me out for "handwaving concerns", the same goes for any other game with people who are for and people who are against (e,g, Pokemon).

 

[Iraiza]

Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks like whenever a thread is moved from "The Market" to "Archives" all of the threadmarks get removed.

 

[Jaysc]

Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks like whenever a thread is moved from "The Market" to "Archives" all of the threadmarks get removed.

That's a bug. I've fixed the issue now.

 

[Tokuiten]

I'll definitely say that it's a tricky balancing act to discuss how a game depicts sexualization of its characters and not get heated hyperbolic arguments while making sure the thread isn't handwaving concerns about it/creating a "boys club" atmosphere. So far I think IB mods are doing well in achieving that balance.

IB should remain sales-focused. If someone wants to discuss sexualization in the context of its impact on sales, that would be fair imo. However, it must then also be allowed to argue the opposite, i.e. 'sexualization negatively impacts sales' - 'I disagree, sexualization positively impacts sales'. There shouldn't be any topics where only one side of the argument is allowed, it's about sales and mostly factual data, something can be true even if it's not the desired status.

Again: Let's keep it to sales. There's plenty of forums for non-sales talk.

 

[Abzeronow]

IB should remain sales-focused. If someone wants to discuss sexualization in the context of its impact on sales, that would be fair imo. However, it must then also be allowed to argue the opposite, i.e. 'sexualization negatively impacts sales' - 'I disagree, sexualization positively impacts sales'. There shouldn't be any topics where only one side of the argument is allowed, it's about sales and mostly factual data, something can be true even if it's not the desired status.

Again: Let's keep it to sales. There's plenty of forums for non-sales talk.

I definitely agree that IB should remain sales-focused. But we should also be consistent in that guideline. And there will likely be trial and error in keeping the topic on sales without being censorious. We don't want to be like Era in that some topics are forbidden but we also want to avoid the needless circular arguments that pop up for example whenever Pokemon is discussed.

 

[Garlic]

Is there plans to introduce an "ignore thread" function?

 

[Simar]

Kind of related: Threads by ignored users aren't listed in the thread list but they are shown in the root page if the last post/comment was made in one of those threads.

 

[Jaysc]

Is there plans to introduce an "ignore thread" function?

Kind of related: Threads by ignored users aren't listed in the thread list but they are shown in the root page if the last post/comment was made in one of those threads.

There are some addons avaliable. I'll let you all know when we get them but it may be after the holidays.

 

[asun]

Comment on staff posts: in dark mode, they end up as red on dark grey. That’s pretty difficult to read, especially for those of us that have some form of colour blindness. Is there a way of making them more readable?

 

[Lelouch0612]

Comment on staff posts: in dark mode, they end up as red on dark grey. That’s pretty difficult to read, especially for those of us that have some form of colour blindness. Is there a way of making them more readable?

Yeah we are working on a way to make these posts stand out more, in all display modes.

 

[Aquamarine]

After reading the Resetera-themed comments in last week's Media Create thread, I just wanted to remark that one of the things I like about Install Base is that we make no judgment about political affiliations. Everyone is free to be a member and participate as long as their arguments are sound and not absurdly inflammatory and derisive towards others. In my mind, it represents what a forum should be: a completely and totally neutral ground encouraging robust discourse where the site doesn't have an agenda.

Resetera's downfall is how they continue to interweave political and social issues into the very fabric of all discussions, even if the topic has absolutely nothing to do with it. Any deviation from management's extremely narrow and often contradictory point of view is met with draconian bans that unfairly rob users of their ability to participate in the community. For example, I thought I was a liberal ally, but even the most innocuous question got me permabanned for concern trolling.

In my opinion, this is the logical end stage of politically-charged integration—there is no end to how radicalized the community can become, and it imparts cultish behavior and frequent dogpiling out of fear of reprisal.

I am highly opinionated politically, but I believe there is a time and place for this flavor of discussions. I also strongly believe that a community can exist and thrive without delving into those highly discordant realms.

My mind is heavy with the weight of all the challenges that face modern society. Escaping to somewhere that doesn't incessantly remind me of them is honestly refreshing.

 

[DarkDetective]

Comment on staff posts: in dark mode, they end up as red on dark grey. That’s pretty difficult to read, especially for those of us that have some form of colour blindness. Is there a way of making them more readable?

Is this easy to read for you?

 

[Bodokoh]

I don't understand why we cannot discussing resetera site traffics, this is not resetera's sister website or something related to it. If Chris1964 is ok with it then why mod got triggered by it?

 

[WestEgg]

I don't understand why we cannot discussing resetera site traffics, this is not resetera's sister website or something related to it. If Chris1964 is ok with it then why mod got triggered by it?

I believe you are talking about this post:

Media Create Sales: Week 50, 2021 (Dec 13 - Dec 19)

Just wanted to ask, Does Nintendo get nothing at all from Pokemon beyond the game's sales (And Mobile games it seems)? Before TPC there was official Nintendo logos on Merchandise. I assume all profits go to TPC and Nintendo gets their share from there. Though that does not show up in Nintendo...

www.installbaseforum.com

This wasn’t an issue about the initial observation that Resetera’s traffic was declining, but rather the comments that followed. It’s understandable that many here have grievances with Resetera given the nature of this forum’s formation. However, we received many reports on some of the comments further down the thread that the moderation team agreed were inappropriate. Criticism of Resetera was being taken as a criticism of some of the general views its members are known for having. This was neither the intention of the original poster, nor appropriate to the thread in general. That is a topic that will lead to toxicity, and why we sought to shut it down.

Having said that, the conversation itself was dragging out enough to derail the thread and wasn’t on topic to begin with, so it was appropriate to advise against it continuing. We are here to talk about sales rather than belittle other forums.

 

[Simar]

Is there plans to introduce an "ignore thread" function?

I just want to stress this. There have been many prediction threads lately and personally i don't care about most of them so it's tiring to mark these (or all) threads as read this often.

 

[DarkDetective]

I just want to stress this. There have been many prediction threads lately and personally i don't care about most of them so it's tiring to mark these (or all) threads as read this often.

We're looking into it. I'm sorry you're so frustrated by those threads. Please be patient.

 

[Welfare]

So that's a no on a prediction thread on when the ignore thread function is released?

 

[Chris1964]

I don't understand why we cannot discussing resetera site traffics, this is not resetera's sister website or something related to it. If Chris1964 is ok with it then why mod got triggered by it?

ResetEra site traffic wasn't the reason a mod was involved. That place makes enough fun of itself alone, it doesn't us to twist the knife.

 

[Gina Lestrade]

Irony coming into this thread as Era was what I wanted to discuss lol.

Like @WestEgg said I too have animosity, at least concerning how well they handled last year's debacle and more recently how poor sales discussions are there. My main point of query is when it is/is not appropriate to bring that up? Like Era quite quickly enacted a blanket ban on discussion of Neogaf, which is still enforced to this day I believe, so I just want a mod/admin to clarify if discussions of Era will be a strictly clamped down on.

I'm obviously new here so I don't know anything about what happened referred to above.

Thanks!

 

[DarkDetective]

Irony coming into this thread as Era was what I wanted to discuss lol.

Like @WestEgg said I too have animosity, at least concerning how well they handled last year's debacle and more recently how poor sales discussions are there. My main point of query is when it is/is not appropriate to bring that up? Like Era quite quickly enacted a blanket ban on discussion of Neogaf, which is still enforced to this day I believe, so I just want a mod/admin to clarify if discussions of Era will be a strictly clamped down on.

I'm obviously new here so I don't know anything about what happened referred to above.

Thanks!

You're free to mention Resetera and NeoGAF and link to threads on these websites, as long as they're on-topic of the discussion on Install Base. In other words, the discussion and analysis of video game sales and the industry.

 

[Aquamarine]

Irony coming into this thread as Era was what I wanted to discuss lol.

Like @WestEgg said I too have animosity, at least concerning how well they handled last year's debacle and more recently how poor sales discussions are there. My main point of query is when it is/is not appropriate to bring that up? Like Era quite quickly enacted a blanket ban on discussion of Neogaf, which is still enforced to this day I believe, so I just want a mod/admin to clarify if discussions of Era will be a strictly clamped down on.

I'm obviously new here so I don't know anything about what happened referred to above.

Thanks!

I'm not a mod, but based on what I've seen, I don't think that will ever be the case.

First off, everyone here is more laid-back in general. There isn't a stifling & toxic culture here. The slightest misstep won't instantly get you banned.

Secondly, in my opinion this forum has one singular purpose: to talk about video game sales / finances / announcements and what that means for companies. Discussing Resetera, while a pain point for many—including me, who was unfairly permabanned for a nonsensical reason—will always be off-topic.

Naturally, mods will have to steer everyone back on-track if a topic loses its sales focus, but that's not because discussion of Resetera is censored, but just because it's off-topic.

This thread exists, though. I mentioned Resetera above with impunity, and if you want to talk about it in this thread I don't think anyone will stop you.

 

[Gina Lestrade]

You're free to mention Resetera and NeoGAF and link to threads on these websites, as long as they're on-topic of the discussion on Install Base. In other words, the discussion and analysis of video game sales and the industry.

I'm not a mod, but based on what I've seen, I don't think that will ever be the case.

First off, everyone here is more laid-back in general. There's a lot less of a stifling culture here. The slightest wrong move won't instantly get you banned.

Secondly, in my opinion this forum has one singular purpose: to talk about video game sales / finances and what that means for companies. Discussing Resetera, while a pain point for many—including me, who was unfairly permabanned for a nonsensical reason—will always be off-topic.

Naturally, mods will have to steer everyone back on-track if the topic loses its sales focus, but that's not because discussion of Resetera is censored, but just because it's off-topic.

This thread exists, though. I mentioned Resetera above with impunity, and if you want to talk about it I don't think anyone will stop you in this thread.

Thanks both. Just wanted to make sure I didn't step immediately out of line if there was a strict enforcement. I'm not going to bash them too often but yeah I definitely still can't fathom how the staff there thought what they did was appropriate and they deserve a few digs here and there as a result.

 

[Josh5890]

Could we have a tag added for threads that are mainly discussion topics like these ones?

The stagnation/decline in the AAA console marketplace, its implications on the health of the industry, and what can be done to reverse the trend

PLEASE NOTE: For the purposes of this write up, I will be using the Wikipedia nomenclature for console generations (I.e., third generation, seventh generation, etc.). Regardless of whether or not one agrees with this breakdown, ultimately it is an efficient and universally understood...

www.installbaseforum.com

Square Enix output strategy | Discussion thread.

Triangle Strategy rated T for Teen by ESRB

www.installbaseforum.com

 

[Jaysc]

Could we have a tag added for threads that are mainly discussion topics like these ones?

The stagnation/decline in the AAA console marketplace, its implications on the health of the industry, and what can be done to reverse the trend

PLEASE NOTE: For the purposes of this write up, I will be using the Wikipedia nomenclature for console generations (I.e., third generation, seventh generation, etc.). Regardless of whether or not one agrees with this breakdown, ultimately it is an efficient and universally understood...

www.installbaseforum.com

Square Enix output strategy | Discussion thread.

Triangle Strategy rated T for Teen by ESRB

www.installbaseforum.com

We're going to be restructuring the forum soon. We'll take a look if it's needed once we do so.

 

[asun]

Is this easy to read for you?

Sorry for not responding before. This is easier to read!

Separate topic: The ads seem can sometimes consume large amounts of screen real estate on mobile again. The in thread ones can take up 1/2 - 2/3 of the screen at times. Can you look at that again?

Thanks!

 

[DarkDetective]

Sorry for not responding before. This is easier to read!

Separate topic: The ads seem can sometimes consume large amounts of screen real estate on mobile again. The in thread ones can take up 1/2 - 2/3 of the screen at times. Can you look at that again?

Thanks!

Okay, great that it's a better color.

As for bigger ads on mobile, we're currently testing a number of different things. Unfortunately, it's not possible for us to generate income from ads without actually showing ads (they need to be on screen, and there's a couple of other requirements to get a better return). I understand that it may be frustrating for some people. The site has costs attached to it, and those costs will need to be covered somehow. We're currently preparing a subscription to experience Install Base without ads, which we hope people will subscribe to. (Obviously, we won't leave donors in the cold when the subscription launches)

 

[asun]

Okay, great that it's a better color.

As for bigger ads on mobile, we're currently testing a number of different things. Unfortunately, it's not possible for us to generate income from ads without actually showing ads (they need to be on screen, and there's a couple of other requirements to get a better return). I understand that it may be frustrating for some people. The site has costs attached to it, and those costs will need to be covered somehow. We're currently preparing a subscription to experience Install Base without ads, which we hope people will subscribe to. (Obviously, we won't leave donors in the cold when the subscription

I completely understand the need to run ads. On mobile, however, they can take up a lot of screen real estate. So, anything to make them less intrusive would be appreciated.

 

[DarkDetective]

I completely understand the need to run ads. On mobile, however, they can take up a lot of screen real estate. So, anything to make them less intrusive would be appreciated.

I'm going to look into it, but I can't promise anything.

 

[uncleoptimus]

Hey all

Is this where I can ask for markdown to be enabled in the post editor?

Or is there another place?

Cuz markdown would be great!

 

[DarkDetective]

Hey all

Is this where I can ask for markdown to be enabled in the post editor?

Or is there another place?

Cuz markdown would be great!

Markdown should be available for you. If it's turned off, then look for the [] icon to toggle BBcode.

 

[uncleoptimus]

_testing ..._

I *notice* that with the "brackets" engaged, it doesn't show up in the Preview mode.

(update)
Hovering over the "brackets" button it mentions "bbcode"

I looked that up and found this doc page:

BB codes

The list of BB codes you can use to spice up the look of your messages. This page shows a list of all BB codes that are available.

xenforo.com

testing...

So it looks like thats the markup-based syntax; I'll dig around my profile settings to see if this is something that the User can toggle.

 

[DarkDetective]

_testing ..._

I *notice* that with the "brackets" engaged, it doesn't show up in the Preview mode.

(update)
Hovering over the "brackets" button it mentions "bbcode"

I looked that up and found this doc page:

BB codes

The list of BB codes you can use to spice up the look of your messages. This page shows a list of all BB codes that are available.

xenforo.com

testing...

So it looks like thats the markup-based syntax; I'll dig around my profile settings to see if this is something that the User can toggle.

If the toggle button is the only 'highlighted' button, then you're in the mode that requires BBcode. If the toggle button has the same color as the other buttons, then those other buttons should work as well, and things like Ctrl+B, Ctrl+I, Ctrl+U, etc too.

 

[uncleoptimus]

If the toggle button is the only 'highlighted' button, then you're in the mode that requires BBcode. If the toggle button has the same color as the other buttons, then those other buttons should work as well, and things like Ctrl+B, Ctrl+I, Ctrl+U, etc too.

Got it, thanks!
That explains why the other buttons disabled w/ the "bbcode" mode engaged.

I think markdown is not turned on for this forum, but its all good. I could see it maybe interfering with other formatting features and maybe cool media stuff like the charts.

 

[Jaysc]

If the toggle button is the only 'highlighted' button, then you're in the mode that requires BBcode. If the toggle button has the same color as the other buttons, then those other buttons should work as well, and things like Ctrl+B, Ctrl+I, Ctrl+U, etc too.

Got it, thanks!
That explains why the other buttons disabled w/ the "bbcode" mode engaged.

I think markdown is not turned on for this forum, but its all good. I could see it maybe interfering with other formatting features and maybe cool media stuff like the charts.

Markdown isn't enabled on this forum. There were some users that wanted it, but then there were some users having issues posting data in thread (the tables format etc), so we decided to disable it. I took a look around and unfortunately we can't enable it per user basis, that I know of at least.

 

[uncleoptimus]

There were some users that wanted it, but then there were some users having issues posting data in thread (the tables format etc), so we decided to disable it.

Boom there it is.
Totes understand, cheers to both of you for looking into it!

Aside, I had googled a bit and apparently the Xenforo team wrote their own parser to enable a subset of markdown, but that it translates the syntax to bbcode. Not surprised some bugginess can pop up in btwn, but cool they did that.

 

[MysticGon]

Has the pace of account approvals gone down?

 

[DarkDetective]

Has the pace of account approvals gone down?

Yes, though we're still approving accounts every day.

 

[Simar]

Thanks for the ignore feature(!) but i noticed a minor annoyance with the current implementation: The invisible/ignored threads still get marked as unread when someone replies.
Because of that "Market Discourse" is currently marked as unread on my end but i don't see any unread threads. "Mark forum read" does fix the symptoms but i always have to make sure i didn't miss an actually unread thread in the list.

I guess this is a better thread for this.
Further issue: If the last reply of a forum is in an ignored thread the forum gets marked as read. After a reply in another thread the forum is "unread" again but the first issue i mentioned is back.