2023 figures included PC Steam sales for Call of Duty while 2021/22 figures didn't.Modern Warfare III was significant down of MW II, but still comfortable outsold CoD Vanguard. Not bad for an expansion that pretends to be a full game.
Personally I think Activision deserved to be more punished by consumers with this lame trick.
Also, there's a lot people buying the old Black Ops II.
2023 figures included PC Steam sales for Call of Duty while 2021/22 figures didn't.
Excluding PC it's 1078K for MWIII vs 975K for Vanguard, so MWIII still did better but not by much. Still impressive given how much of MWIII was recycled.
Also "sparkers/ISFE" is reliable?
Apparently Vanguard wasn't even released on Steam at launch, its PC version was exclusive to Battle.net.How do you know it isn't included?
Skyrim (2021) - 1 138 000
Fallout 4 (2015) - 1 126 000
Starfield (2023) - ~142 000
Game Pass and exclusivity really hurt the potential of Bethesda games.
I think The Elder Scrolls VI has a good chance of releasing DAY ONE on PS5.
Starfield will be released on PS5 no later than 2025.
25. Dead Island 2RIP Starfield, not even top 20. Probably not even top 30.
+-------+------------+------------+------------+
|System | This CY | Last CY | LTD |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+
| PS5 | 1.210.000 | 780.000 | 3.590.000 |
| NSW | 720.000 | 860.000 | 6.750.000 |
| XBS | 650.000 | 760.000 | 2.590.000 |
| PS4 | 25.000 | 5.000 | 7.710.000 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+
| ALL | 2.605.000 | 2.405.000 | 20.640.000 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+
Console | Units | Revenue | ASP |
---|---|---|---|
PS5 | 1,210,000 | 529,000,000£ | 437£ |
Switch | 720,000 | 187,700,000£ | 261£ |
Xbox Series | 650,000 | 211,200,000£ | 325£ |
PS4 | 24,000 | 6,200,000£ | 258£ |
Total | 2,605,000 | 934,100,000£ | 359£ |
FF XVI was also another disappointment in UK.
From 60 million copies of Skyrim and around 30 million copies of Fallout 4 to this. Absolutely tragic, they really need to change things around with TES VI or the reception will be similar.25. Dead Island 2
29. Dead Space Remake
30. Mortal Kombat 1
31. Starfield - ~142k
32. Final Fantasy 16
According to Christopher Dring, more than two thirds of sales are made on PC.
2023 PS5 sales were really great, but 2024 should be way down, likely 20% less.Looks like some numbers were updated for 2022 with Xbox seeing a big shift upward. This is what ERA reported from GFK for 2022
NSW: 880K
PS5: 780K
XBS: 723K
Applying the YOY % change on those figures for 2023 gives:
PS5: 1211K
NSW: 733K
XBS: 620K
Working back with the actual 2023 figures + % changes for the YOY
NSW 2022: ~860K
PS5 2022: ~770K
XBS 2022: ~760K
PS5 is likely similar to ~780K given 2023 is "over" 1.2M, but Xbox has a noticeable difference and Switch was slightly adjusted down.
Keep in mind those PC sales are Steam only, so PCGP early access is excluded for Starfield. Also explains the absence of Minecraft on PC for example, and other titles not on Steam.
I think Minecraft Switch digital is missing too as MS doesn't share Switch digital specifically with Circana so I don't see why Sparklers would be any different. That'd also explain it's weirdly low digital numbers as the bulk of console sales are Switch (overall revenue 2:1 PS, 4:1 Xbox).
Likewise, Diablo IV actually did remarkably well on Steam it seems and it's numbers must be massive (doubled or more?) if they'd included Battle.net.
And as always, it's good to keep in mind Nintendo isn't the only one not sharing digital numbers generally. This report should be more transparent on just who's included there so absences like BG3 or Roblox don't stick out quite so much.
That's what the report says though, Steam only. Circana reports this way too.Diablo 4 was late release on Steam with global CCU peak of 28k.
There is zero chance of UK Diablo 4 PC sales being Steam only.
That's what the report says though, Steam only. Circana reports this way too.
I agree it looks high for Steam only but we can only go by what's told to us. Which is the larger issue I was making.
Shortages from 2020-2022Why is ps5 doing so bad in the UK(Europe) compared to ps4?
Price? Software?
Why is ps5 doing so bad in the UK(Europe) compared to ps4?
Price?
A lot of people keep saying this, but for the Switch, the UK is only behind US, Japan and France in terms of units sold for individually countries or small regions like the UK.Nintendo is really small in the UK compared to almost any other country.
Why is ps5 doing so bad in the UK(Europe) compared to ps4?
Price? Software?
That will likely be an error, Chris Dring shared diablo digital data with us at launch when it was on battle net only so that data is available and I expect these YTD numbers do include battle net, but likely no other PC stores.That's what the report says though, Steam only. Circana reports this way too.
I agree it looks high for Steam only but we can only go by what's told to us. Which is the larger issue I was making.
Dring would've been sharing PSN/XBL digital then though, no? Unless he specified it included PC (Battle.net) digital?That will likely be an error, Chris Dring shared diablo digital data with us at launch when it was on battle net only so that data is available and I expect these YTD numbers do include battle net, but likely no other PC stores.
I agree it's high, that's why I was surprised. But again, this goes to the issue of trackers not being transparent enough about the parameters of what they're actually tracking with digital. And part of that is they want to present as if they're more comprehensively covering the digital market than they really are and likely also apply pressure to non-participating vendors and publishers.I doubt it even sold 500K on Steam by now. So 224K in UK alone which is not that big of PC market doesn't make sense.
When people point out the UK is one of Nintendo's weaker markets (and that really goes historically) they mean competitively relative to the overall market size. Not in raw numbers versus other regions but in console marketshare relative to other regions. Switch UK marketshare is behind many more nations really (Canada, Spain, Germany, South Korea, Taiwan, Switzerland, Australia, China, etc).A lot of people keep saying this, but for the Switch, the UK is only behind US, Japan and France in terms of units sold for individually countries or small regions like the UK.
The market is competitive for all 3 but the Switch has done remarkable numbers there.
I mean that is pretty much solely because of Xbox actually being somewhat competitive in UK (less so every year though...). I mean PS too has lower marketshare in UK than in other European markets but you never see people saying UK is weak market for PS.When people point out the UK is one of Nintendo's weaker markets (and that really goes historically) they mean competitively relative to the overall market size. Not in raw numbers versus other regions but in console marketshare relative to other regions. Switch UK marketshare is behind many more nations really (Canada, Spain, Germany, South Korea, Taiwan, Switzerland, Australia, China, etc).
Switch has definitely done well overall in the UK, it's a good recovery from 3DS/Wii U. But on the global scale, it's still a weaker market for them competitively and I'd argue their weakest major market.
I mean that is pretty much solely because of Xbox actually being somewhat competitive in UK (less so every year though...). I mean PS too has lower marketshare in UK than in other European markets but you never see people saying UK is weak market for PS.
People point out it's one of the weaker Nintendo markets because it is for them. Xbox is somewhat competitive too in the US but Nintendo is also stronger in the US, this isn't about Xbox.I mean that is pretty much solely because of Xbox actually being somewhat competitive in UK (less so every year though...). I mean PS too has lower marketshare in UK than in other European markets but you never see people saying UK is weak market for PS.
Why is ps5 doing so bad in the UK(Europe) compared to ps4?
Price? Software?
Everyone will tell you shortages and that’s true but it’s also crazy expensive here. I doubt it’s ever gonna match PS4.
ERA 2022 | PC (1,000s) | Total (1,000s) | PC ratio |
Elden Ring | 181 | 865 | 0.21 |
GTAV | 101 | 816 | 0.12 |
RDR | 100 | 355 | 0.28 |
LEGO | 69 | 817 | 0.08 |
ERA 2023 | |||
Hogwarts | 225 | 1,921 | 0.12 |
Diablo 4 | 224 | 443 | 0.51 |
Jedi S | 57 | 553 | 0.10 |
COD MW3 | 161 | 1,239 | 0.13 |
GTAV | 135 | 616 | 0.22 |
RDR2 | 108 | 412 | 0.26 |
EAFC 24 | 61 | 2,396 | 0.03 |
EA FC (and most sports games) don't do well on PC. Besides being treated as a secondary market (PC EAFC is still based around the PS4/XB1 version), it's a type of game that works better in casual gaming. Diablo also doesn't have Battle.net sales tracked so the only thing present is the late launch of the Steam version. We also have to consider that a number of the bigger PC games don't get tracked. PC is a relatively smaller market than consoles but, it also doesn't follow the big publisher model.PC ratios continue to be really low. New releases like Jedi having just 10% of sales on PC, EA, the biggest UK game only 3%. Hogwarts only 12%.
Even that Diablo split seems a bit surprising, would have expected 60-70% on PC.
UK is just not a big market for PC.
EAFC is based on PS5/XBS versions (mostly to ensure crossplay works).EA FC (and most sports games) don't do well on PC. Besides being treated as a secondary market (PC EAFC is still based around the PS4/XB1 version), it's a type of game that works better in casual gaming.
There is no chance Diablo IV PC could have sold that much without BattleNet sales, it's Steam launch was fairly small (28K peak CCU worldwide).Diablo also doesn't have Battle.net sales tracked so the only thing present is the late launch of the Steam version. We also have to consider that a number of the bigger PC games don't get tracked. PC is a relatively smaller market than consoles but, it also doesn't follow the big publisher model.
From 60 million copies of Skyrim and around 30 million copies of Fallout 4 to this. Absolutely tragic, they really need to change things around with TES VI or the reception will be similar.
Oh yes, the famous non Steam PC sales, those are known to be huge, right? On the serious note, Starfield underperformed massively, at least sales wise. It is what it is.Apples to oranges disingenuous much? From comparing one country sales for one year to years and years (decades?) of WW sales just for a start never mind the whole gamepass thing. And from other comments 142k not even counting non steam PC sales etc.
I think Starfield's greatest issue was the setting (besides a few million having a hate boner for it and nitpicking every flaw), RPG just work better in medieval times and by default TES 6 wont suffer that.
i started starfield but lost interest. i could say the world seemed a bit sterile, and anytime procedural generation plays a big part i am turned off before i even start (no mans sky actually overcame this hurdle to the public tbf, somehow). you cant judge by me though almost no single player games grab me anymore.
But at the end of the day stop pretending games on GP are going to sell a lot...or anything close to past entries that werent and were also multiplat etc. starfield made top ten 2023 iirc in usa and canada which is also amazing given all the other factors.
So Xbox Series has been upgraded to 760K for 2022?GFK(UK): CY 2023
HARDWARE
Code:+-------+------------+------------+------------+ |System | This CY | Last CY | LTD | +-------+------------+------------+------------+ | PS5 | 1.210.000 | 780.000 | 3.590.000 | | NSW | 720.000 | 860.000 | 6.750.000 | | XBS | 650.000 | 760.000 | 2.590.000 | | PS4 | 25.000 | 5.000 | 7.710.000 | +-------+------------+------------+------------+ | ALL | 2.605.000 | 2.405.000 | 20.640.000 | +-------+------------+------------+------------+
So Xbox Series has been upgraded to 760K for 2022?
Made that note earlier in the thread.Looks like some numbers were updated for 2022 with Xbox seeing a big shift upward. This is what ERA reported from GFK for 2022
NSW: 880K
PS5: 780K
XBS: 723K
Applying the YOY % change on those figures for 2023 gives:
PS5: 1211K
NSW: 733K
XBS: 620K
Working back with the actual 2023 figures + % changes for the YOY
NSW 2022: ~860K
PS5 2022: ~770K
XBS 2022: ~760K
PS5 is likely similar to ~780K given 2023 is "over" 1.2M, but Xbox has a noticeable difference and Switch was slightly adjusted down.
Do these software sales include digital sales for all except NSW?GFK(UK): CY 2023
HARDWARE
Code:+-------+------------+------------+------------+ |System | This CY | Last CY | LTD | +-------+------------+------------+------------+ | PS5 | 1.210.000 | 780.000 | 3.590.000 | | NSW | 720.000 | 860.000 | 6.750.000 | | XBS | 650.000 | 760.000 | 2.590.000 | | PS4 | 25.000 | 5.000 | 7.710.000 | +-------+------------+------------+------------+ | ALL | 2.605.000 | 2.405.000 | 20.640.000 | +-------+------------+------------+------------+
CONSOLE SOFTWARE
01. NSW - 6.200.000 <46%> (-11%)
02. PS5 - 4.300.000 <32%> (+35%)
03. PS4 - 1.800.000 <13%> (-32%)
04. XBS - 1.000.000 <7%> (+9%)
05. XB1 - 300.000 <2%> (-58%)
00. ALL - 13.600.000 <100%> (-5%)
UPDATE:
Looking at revenus ROG ally is not include here.
So I ajust up PS5.
Console Units Revenue ASP PS5 1,210,000 529,000,000£ 437£ Switch 720,000 187,700,000£ 261£ Xbox Series 650,000 211,200,000£ 325£ PS4 24,000 6,200,000£ 258£ Total 2,605,000 934,100,000£ 359£