Xbox Year Console Shipments FINALLY Revealed

[Astral_lion02]

The biggest increase for Hardware install base happened with Gen 7.

(Switch OG and OLED are include in "TV consoles" and Switch lite is inclued in "Handheld")

 

[MegaXZero]

Funs over.
These numbers are considerably wrong when compared to actual data from Nintendo and Sony.

1) This is CY data
2) Its all consoles under the manufacturer: 2020 will be PS4+5, XB1+S etc
3) Home consoles only

Pixel counting error (because they decided to use extra thick lines...) = 0.2M

I don't know how they messed up PS and Nintendo data when we get it from Nintendo and Sony...
Some of the misses like 2020, 3.3M off for Playstation...

If this is accurate then I don’t see much of a point in trusting much of any of the data coming out of these regulatory reports and cases.

Unless it’s just straight from the party themselves like the SIE game budget thing, seems very vague and dodgy numbers are just allowed to permeate.

 

[GodlyTrident]

No we don’t because the Switch is very much a console. Its games are priced like a console and developed like a console. The DS is closer to a Smartphone than the Swirch.

Switch is literally courting the same portable market as DS. So we can include it.

Anyway console market is not growing.

 

[salesguy]

Funs over.
These numbers are considerably wrong when compared to actual data from Nintendo and Sony.

1) This is CY data
2) Its all consoles under the manufacturer: 2020 will be PS4+5, XB1+S etc
3) Home consoles only

Pixel counting error (because they decided to use extra thick lines...) = 0.2M

I don't know how they messed up PS and Nintendo data when we get it from Nintendo and Sony...
Some of the misses like 2020, 3.3M off for Playstation...

that actually almost gives me more confidence in the numbers than the near zero I had before. Theyre kind of consistently in the (large) ballpark, at least. with a couple exception, biggest being 2020 ps. i'd still have a way bigger problem with how wild a miss xbox appears to be than any of this data.

Given some of the errors cancel out, they overcounted Ps by about 5m over 8 years. Again not just awful. But yeah overall these are untrustworthy.

 

[enpleinjour]

that actually almost gives me more confidence in the numbers than the near zero I had before. Theyre kind of consistently in the (large) ballpark, at least. with a couple exception, biggest being 2020 ps. i'd still have a way bigger problem with how wild a miss xbox appears to be than any of this data.

Given some of the errors cancel out, they overcounted Ps by about 5m over 8 years. Again not just awful. But yeah overall these are untrustworthy.

That makes no sense.
These are publicly available numbers.

Even the Xbox numbers are off from what we know:

• PS4 shipped 6.2M in 2020. Going by that gen's ratios XB1 is ~2.65M
• XBS sold 2.8M in 2020 and was supply constrained.
  • so for 2020 you are lookin at ~5.65M Xbox consoles, Keystone has it at 7M
• XB1 was non existent in 2021 (~0.3M), MSFT's own submission has XBS 2021 sell through as 7-7.6M, 8-8.6M shipment (still supply constrained)
  • so for 2021 you are looking at ~9M, Keystone has it at 9.8M

For a firm to miss even publicly available numbers by so much is really bad. Completely undermines all their data now.

 

[JavelinR]

Didn't widened too in 2nd half of 2022 ( especially last quarter )?

That 7m quarter for PS5 was a bit of an outlier because they were making up for the stock shortages and reloading shelves/warehouses. They aren't expected to hit those numbers every non-holiday quarter

 

[westlake]

Not bad numbers at all, but IIRC the Xbox One was somewhat competitive against PS4 in the first two years then it started to wind down by the third, this is where the gap widened.

I believe Xbox One wasn't shipped in 2021 and 2022, so we can have a good idea of where Series stands.

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360 84m is by june 2014 and the console was shipped until 2016 so the final number is a little higher.

Xbox One production actually stopped to give place to Series launch, but this was only disclosed a year later when it was asked about it.

 

[RDragon]

Switch is literally courting the same portable market as DS. So we can include it.

Anyway console market is not growing.

It really isn’t since the pricing for both console and the games are not the same as the DS, nor are the scope of the games. Even the touch screen the Switch barely uses.

 

[1st_horseman]

No?

Well, what’s your definition of huge?

I think you are not aware that XS is behind X1 for more than a year in two strongest Xbox markets US/UK. Especially last holiday NPD. It was total disaster for XS

Yea, I don’t think 8 million pieces of hardware difference is that wide. I thought it was wider, tbh.

Not between PS5 and XS, but between XS and XS.

 

[Fatal Nutritionist]

So the actual numbers from the XBox brand are?
Xbox 24 million
Xbox 360 - 84 million
Xbox one - 50/55 million
Xbox series X/S - 20/30 (this one is more confuse than the others)

We don't have 360 sales but it's more than 84 million that was just the last official announcement in 2014.

 

[SergioPL]

We don't have 360 sales but it's more than 84 million that was just the last official announcement in 2014.

So, maybe Xbox 360 sold more than the PlayStation 3?

 

[fiendcode]

So, maybe Xbox 360 sold more than the PlayStation 3?

Yes, it's very possible. Sony's PS3 figure is near final (87.4m), just missing a quarter or two iirc.

 

[My Tulpa]

I think you are not aware that XS is behind X1 for more than a year in two strongest Xbox markets US/UK. Especially last holiday NPD. It was total disaster for XS

Even after all that “distaster” during the lean, low stock years…there is only an 8 million difference between Xbox and PlayStation right now. That really not a lot after 3 years. I thought it was worse.

Not between PS5 and XS, but between XS and XS.

I’ve read this 6 times. I’m ashamed to say I still don’t get what is being said here :/

 

[1st_horseman]

Even after all that “distaster” during the lean, low stock years…there is only an 8 million difference between Xbox and PlayStation right now. That really not a lot after 3 years. I thought it was worse.

It is not 8 million difference, it is bigger. Looks like XS is at 21 mil. shipped after all. You have this thread :

Microsoft at BIG Festival says Xbox Series X|S is at +21M, Xbox One ~58M

Credit to @LukasTaves for this information. This is all part of an ID@Xbox presentation BIG Festival: https://bigfestival.com.br/en/

www.installbaseforum.com

 

[Herb Alpert]

The Nintendo curve is completely crazy lol
Crazy high and crazy low

 

[1st_horseman]

So, maybe Xbox 360 sold more than the PlayStation 3?

Yes, it's very possible. Sony's PS3 figure is near final (87.4m), just missing a quarter or two iirc.

But wouldn't MS already say something about it then since X360 ended in 2016?

 

[My Tulpa]

It is not 8 million difference, it is bigger. Looks like XS is at 21 mil. shipped after all. You have this thread :

Microsoft at BIG Festival says Xbox Series X|S is at +21M, Xbox One ~58M

Credit to @LukasTaves for this information. This is all part of an ID@Xbox presentation BIG Festival: https://bigfestival.com.br/en/

www.installbaseforum.com

It is not 8 million difference, it is bigger. Looks like XS is at 21 mil. shipped after all. You have this thread :

Microsoft at BIG Festival says Xbox Series X|S is at +21M, Xbox One ~58M

Credit to @LukasTaves for this information. This is all part of an ID@Xbox presentation BIG Festival: https://bigfestival.com.br/en/

www.installbaseforum.com

You sure that’s shipped and not sold through?

 

[Blue Monty]

But wouldn't MS already say something about it then since X360 ended in 2016?

They never say anything about their hardware sales, also boosting about X360 sales while XBOne was a failure it would probably look bad to investors no reason for them to do it

 

[Evilms]

The official sales numbers we know are :

PS3 : More than 87.4 million units sold (As of March 31, 2017).

• May 30, 2017 end of production announcement.

360 : More than 84 million units sold (as of June 9, 2014).

• April 20, 2016 end of production announcement.

In 2013, the PS3 surpassed the 360 (total worldwide).

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps3-overtakes-xbox-360-in-worldwide-shipments-report/1100-6402214/


Since then, the 360 has never been ahead of the PS3.

The PS3 has continued to outsell the 360 worldwide over the last few years.


If Microsoft had really sold more 360s than PS3s, they would have proudly announced it, knowing that they had no trouble communicating the figures at the time (unlike the Xbox One sales).

It's unlikely that the 360 would have finished ahead.

 

[fiendcode]

In 2013, the PS3 surpassed the 360 (total worldwide).

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps3-overtakes-xbox-360-in-worldwide-shipments-report/1100-6402214/


Since then, the 360 has never been ahead of the PS3.

The PS3 has continued to outsell the 360 worldwide over the last few years.

Those are IDC estimates, not official figures. Officially PS3 shipments didn't pass 360 until Sony gave their 87.4m figure shortly before production ended.

 

[Evilms]

Officially we know that the 2 consoles passed the 80 million mark from the end of 2013 :

(SCE) today announced that cumulative sales of the PlayStation®3 (PS3®) computer entertainment system has reached a milestone of 80 million units*1 worldwide as of November 2, 2013.

https://sonyinteractive.com/en/pres...tion3-sales-reach-80-million-units-worldwide/

80 million units worldwide since its launch in 2005.

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/xbox-360-reaches-80-million-consoles-sold-worldwide


And from 2014 onwards, sales of the Xbox 360 continue to fall behind those of the PS3.

 

[salesguy]

And from 2014 onwards, sales of the Xbox 360 continue to fall behind those of the PS3.

Where is proof of this?

I dont remember the details but I remember some late 360 quarterly sales were revealed years after the fact (after MS stopped giving shipments) that were quite strong. At that time it was personally settled in my mind theres no way 360 didnt beat PS3. Of course I dont have any proof, I just remember the thought and I know I am correct for my own self. There's very little doubt in my own mind, 360 outsold PS3 WW. You say MS would have shouted that, but so would Sony. in 2014 360 was outselling ps3 pretty handily in my npd numbers. ps3 would have had to kill it ww in 2014 as a ratio to npd in a way not supported by history to have sold more ww in 2014. in dec/nov 2014 alone it was 620k 360 to 264k ps3.

Something like wikipedia is not accurate, they are prone to console wars. It was known as behind the scenes fact the Ps3 GPU was downclocked at 500 mhz not the initial 550 mhz planned (one way you can tell is at a certain date Sony never mentioned the RSX clock again, where before they listed it on spec sheets as 550mhz). When I noticed it was listed at 550 on wikipedia, I tried to correct it. It was immediately changed back. They aren't interested in being correct. just because i know they have the 87 vs 84 thing.

 

[fiendcode]

Officially we know that the 2 consoles passed the 80 million mark from the end of 2013 :


https://sonyinteractive.com/en/pres...tion3-sales-reach-80-million-units-worldwide/


https://www.gamesindustry.biz/xbox-360-reaches-80-million-consoles-sold-worldwide


And from 2014 onwards, sales of the Xbox 360 continue to fall behind those of the PS3.

Those sources refute what you're saying on the IDC estimates even. They show 360 (80m through Sept 2013) still ahead of PS3 (80m by Nov 2, 2013). Again, PS3 didn't pass 360 officially until 2017, 3 years after MS stopped giving numbers.

 

[salesguy]

Officially we know that the 2 consoles passed the 80 million mark from the end of 2013 :


https://sonyinteractive.com/en/pres...tion3-sales-reach-80-million-units-worldwide/


https://www.gamesindustry.biz/xbox-360-reaches-80-million-consoles-sold-worldwide


And from 2014 onwards, sales of the Xbox 360 continue to fall behind those of the PS3.

Those are about 3 weeks apart, 360 being announced 80m on oct 18, sony on nov 6. That can be a LOT of consoles in Oct/Nov.

One thing we know, 360 sold 80 million faster than PS3. We have no verified comparable number ever where PS3 was ahead of 360 when both announced the same number.

 

[Evilms]

The Xbox 360 came out a year before the PS3.

and despite this 12-month lead, the sales gap between the 2 consoles only narrowed, until they both reached the 80 million mark at the end of 2013, proving that the PS3 was outselling the 360 worldwide since launch which makes perfect sense, otherwise it would never have caught up with the 360.

And in any case, the official figures are :

87.4 million for the PS3 and 84 million for the 360.

So until proven otherwise, the PS3 finished higher than the 360.

 

[fiendcode]

We're not talking aligned, we're talking end ltd. PS3 never passed 360 concurrently until 2017 (versus a 2014 number), so it's very possible either console may in fact be the better selling one. Either way is likely frankly, that was the point.

 

[jacotol]

It seems quite reasonable to think that ps3 ended up surpassing 360 in sales:

- Basically PS3 outsold 360 launch aligned, recovering little by little the year of advantage that 360 had, to the point that both reach 80 million with a couple of months of difference approximately and ps3 ended production a year after 360

- The last known numbers put ps3 ahead of 360, if MS did not provide new data to prove that it ended up winning, when they were literally the whole generation bragging about sales victories and remembering that they were ahead of ps3 is because they probably did not have that final victory to brag about

There are more data in favor of ps3 than 360, in either case the difference is so small that it can almost be considered a technical tie

 

[allan-bh]

The Xbox 360 came out a year before the PS3.

and despite this 12-month lead, the sales gap between the 2 consoles only narrowed, until they both reached the 80 million mark at the end of 2013, proving that the PS3 was outselling the 360 worldwide since launch which makes perfect sense, otherwise it would never have caught up with the 360.

And in any case, the official figures are :

87.4 million for the PS3 and 84 million for the 360.

So until proven otherwise, the PS3 finished higher than the 360.

Not true. 360 outsold PS3 in 2008 (barely) and 2011 based on official Microsoft and Sony data.

 

[1st_horseman]

Officially we know that the 2 consoles passed the 80 million mark from the end of 2013 :


https://sonyinteractive.com/en/pres...tion3-sales-reach-80-million-units-worldwide/


https://www.gamesindustry.biz/xbox-360-reaches-80-million-consoles-sold-worldwide


And from 2014 onwards, sales of the Xbox 360 continue to fall behind those of the PS3.

Those sources refute what you're saying on the IDC estimates even. They show 360 (80m through Sept 2013) still ahead of PS3 (80m by Nov 2, 2013). Again, PS3 didn't pass 360 officially until 2017, 3 years after MS stopped giving numbers.

Those are about 3 weeks apart, 360 being announced 80m on oct 18, sony on nov 6. That can be a LOT of consoles in Oct/Nov.

One thing we know, 360 sold 80 million faster than PS3. We have no verified comparable number ever where PS3 was ahead of 360 when both announced the same number.

The Xbox 360 came out a year before the PS3.

and despite this 12-month lead, the sales gap between the 2 consoles only narrowed, until they both reached the 80 million mark at the end of 2013, proving that the PS3 was outselling the 360 worldwide since launch which makes perfect sense, otherwise it would never have caught up with the 360.

And in any case, the official figures are :

87.4 million for the PS3 and 84 million for the 360.

So until proven otherwise, the PS3 finished higher than the 360.

Not true. 360 outsold PS3 in 2008 (barely) and 2011 based on official Microsoft and Sony data.

Actually, it did happened before start of PS4/XB1 gen

PS3 outsold X360 by 1 or 2 million during some time in 2013:

The PS3 currently has approximately 77 million consoles shipped worldwide, while the 360 is just barely hanging behind at about 76 million.

Also, wasn't Zhuge a long time ago claimed that launch aligned PS3 was selling faster than X360?? I'm thinking too that Microsoft would announce after Sony's PS3 last console sold numbers report any number that would give any positive PR about X360 sales, but nothing happened after.

 

[fiendcode]

Actually, it did happened before start of PS4/XB1 gen

PS3 outsold X360 by 1 or 2 million during some time in 2013:

The PS3 currently has approximately 77 million consoles shipped worldwide, while the 360 is just barely hanging behind at about 76 million.

Also, wasn't Zhuge a long time ago claimed that launch aligned PS3 was selling faster than X360?? I'm thinking too that Microsoft would announce after Sony's PS3 last console sold numbers report any number that would give any positive PR about X360 sales, but nothing happened after.

That sources the same old IDC estimates we already discussed, they're likely wrong given the official figures sourced that same year that have 360 reaching 80m about 5-6 weeks before PS3 did.

 

[1st_horseman]

That sources the same old IDC estimates we already discussed, they're likely wrong given the official figures sourced that same year that have 360 reaching 80m about 5-6 weeks before PS3 did.

It was way less. Around 2 and a half weeks before( 18 Oct vs 6th Nov. 2013 ). That is actually nothing. Just proves that launch aligned PS3 was selling at much faster rate. And probably outsold it till very end. The PS3 had made up a global deficit in sales of over 2 mill. from the year before, means it had to have been selling more globally (not to mention it launched 1+ year later initially anyway), which is what all sales tracking data firms and analysts reported too.


Otherwise, we would already hear some positive PR from Microsoft about X360 sales vs. PS3 back then, even accidentally. But nothing happened in the end.

 

[fiendcode]

It was way less. Around 2 and a half weeks before( 18 Oct vs 6th Nov. 2013 ). That is actually nothing. Just proves that launch aligned PS3 was selling at much faster rate. And probably outsold it till very end. The PS3 had made up a global deficit in sales of over 2 mill. from the year before, means it had to have been selling more globally (not to mention it launched 1+ year later initially anyway), which is what all sales tracking data firms and analysts reported too.


Otherwise, we would already hear some positive PR from Microsoft about X360 sales vs. PS3 back then, even accidentally. But nothing happened in the end.

It wasn't as of Oct 18, it was through September aligning with that NPD. And besides, it casts doubt on the IDC estimates either way.

And MS wasn't ever going to report on 360 sales in 2016/2017. They'd already shied away from giving hardware figures by that point, it implies nothing for 360 or PS3 selling more really.

 

[1st_horseman]

It wasn't as of Oct 18, it was through September aligning with that NPD. And besides, it casts doubt on the IDC estimates either way.

And MS wasn't ever going to report on 360 sales in 2016/2017. They'd already shied away from giving hardware figures by that point, it implies nothing for 360 or PS3 selling more really.

Maybe they would say something if their internal data showed that X360 sold more than 87 million like PS3s. Microsoft is always waiting like uptight rifle for positive PR about outselling PS, one way or another.

 

[fiendcode]

Maybe they would say something if their internal data showed that X360 sold more than 87 million like PS3s. Microsoft is always waiting like uptight rifle for positive PR about outselling PS, one way or another.

They wouldn't, not when PS4 was leading XBO 2:1 and being about 2 years after MS stopped giving any hardware numbers at all, probably for that reason. In 2017 no one cared who sold more the previous gen.

Realistically either 360 or PS3 could be ahead. It's as close to a photo finish as this industry's ever seen.

 

[Fatal Nutritionist]

But wouldn't MS already say something about it then since X360 ended in 2016?

Xbox and other Microsoft divisions stopped reporting sales numbers going into 2016. The last Xbox One numbers we official got was post the near 10 million of them saying they reached it after, but not actually telling us what their numbers were past that point. A few months before that they gave us the 84 million 360 number.

Based on NPD alone for 360 using the ol' Creamsugar leaks on Neogaf that would already put 360 just using Nov and Dec figures from 2014 until discontinuation, at over 86 million just using US. That's not including the other 5 months missing in 2014, the other 9 months in 2015, and international sales from June 2014 until discontinuation in 2016.

it is very very likely the 360 passed the PS3 by possibly a few million max if not around a couple million at the least. 360 was still holding a good rate in 2015, and was strong in the US throughout as several locations weren't even carrying PS3's in many US stores from 2015 to 2016 discontinuation. Most PS3 remaining relevant sales were in parts of Europe as even Japan dried up. Add that 2014 was also a very good year for the 360 when they announced the 84 Million in iirc July which means the year wasn't over yet, you had 2 summer months, 2 fall months, and 2 holiday months which is the biggest sales of the year left.

when PS4 was leading XBO 2:1 and being about 2 years after MS stopped giving any hardware numbers at all, probably for that reason.

This didn't happen. Xbox One's last numbers were the almost 10 million before the holiday sale push, and Microsoft across many parts of the company stepped reporting sales numbers going into 2015. Although at first Microsoft combined numbers with One/360, then fully stopped.

PS4 was definitely not two to one at that point. PS4 didn't sell over 20 million units until start of March 2015. Didn't hit 25M until July 2015.

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Not true. 360 outsold PS3 in 2008 (barely) and 2011 based on official Microsoft and Sony data.

What data are you referencing. I though 2007 was the other date, not 2008?

 

[1st_horseman]

Based on NPD alone for 360 using the ol' Creamsugar leaks on Neogaf that would already put 360 just using Nov and Dec figures from 2014 until discontinuation, at over 86 million just using US. That's not including the other 5 months missing in 2014, the other 9 months in 2015, and international sales from June 2014 until discontinuation in 2016.

it is very very likely the 360 passed the PS3 by possibly a few million max if not around a couple million at the least. 360 was still holding a good rate in 2015, and was strong in the US throughout as several locations weren't even carrying PS3's in many US stores from 2015 to 2016 discontinuation. Most PS3 remaining relevant sales were in parts of Europe as even Japan dried up. Add that 2014 was also a very good year for the 360 when they announced the 84 Million in iirc July which means the year wasn't over yet, you had 2 summer months, 2 fall months, and 2 holiday months which is the biggest sales of the year left.

I've said, MS is starving for a good PR about outselling PS consoles. If there are a better results, MS would say something. Even if generation ended.

 

[allan-bh]

I've said, MS is starving for a good PR about outselling PS consoles. If there are a better results, MS would say something. Even if generation ended.

Some fanboys would brag that 360 won PS3 and that's all. Would have zero impact on the market if Microsoft announce the final shipment number of 360 being bigger than of PS3.

 

[fiendcode]

I've said, MS is starving for a good PR about outselling PS consoles. If there are a better results, MS would say something. Even if generation ended.

Talking about a dead gen isn't winning PR. It's irrelevant and if anything the optics would drive a negative narrative vis a vis the silence on One.

What you're suggesting here is a losing PR strategy.

 

[1st_horseman]

Some fanboys would brag that 360 won PS3 and that's all. Would have zero impact on the market if Microsoft announce the final shipment number of 360 being bigger than of PS3.

Talking about a dead gen isn't winning PR. It's irrelevant and if anything the optics would drive a negative narrative vis a vis the silence on One.

What you're suggesting here is a losing PR strategy.

Now it would be, but back then, probably 5 years ago, maybe it wouldn't. That gen was active till 2017 i think.

 

[fiendcode]

Now it would be, but back then, probably 5 years ago, maybe it wouldn't. That gen was active till 2017 i think.

360 wasn't in production in 2017, it's 12 years after launch, most releases were skipping the platform and it was also the year XBLIG was shut down and all games delisted. It wasn't an active platform.