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I saw the news first posted by game developer: https://www.gamedeveloper.com/busin...dvance-fee-as-it-opens-up-creator-marketplace
I won't be referencing anything from the article above because the information comes from the Roblox developer forum: https://devforum.roblox.com/t/opening-up-marketplace-to-more-creators/2931299
Here is the Roblox Marketplace if you haven't seen it before: https://www.roblox.com/catalog
Here is their announcement:
Previously, you created and sold 3D items on Roblox by application:
Here is the part that is relevant to the prosumer model which I'll go into more detail later, eligibility for creating and selling 3D items on Roblox requires a subscription:
There's more from the announcement if you go to the link because I'm skipping parts of it. Here's the part regarding the publishing advance fee:
Skipping to the FAQ on the page, here are relevant questions:
How this relates to the Prosumer model
Now to go over the details. If you don't know what the prosumer model is, go to my thread linked here: https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...e-industry-part-4-rise-of-the-prosumers.2393/
How is the prosumer model in effect in the Roblox marketplace? To be able to create and sell 3D items on the marketplace which used to require an application now requires paying for a subscription. The subscriptions mentioned are Premium 1000 and Premium 2200. If you read my previous Roblox thread, I detailed the costs there, you'll also want to reference it because the fees you have to pay are in Robux and there's no flat conversion rate for buying Robux: https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...-exploitation-of-child-labor.2554/post-244329
The subscription is a monthly subscription, the Premium 1000 subscription costs $9.99 per month while the Premium 2200 costs $19.99 per month. Here is their page where they tell you what you get from the subscription: https://www.roblox.com/premium/membership
What do you get from the subscription?
It's a consumer subscription that gives you the above and either 1000 Robux from the Premium 1000 or, 2200 Robux from the Premium 2200. That's how you are a prosumer in this, it went from filling out an application to create and sell 3D items to making you pay for a consumer subscription of which all you can do with the Robux is spend it on the Roblox platform. You are both the worker and consumer in this (although that was already the case before since I detailed it in my prosumer model thread).
In case you are wondering if you read my other Roblox thread about the Developer Exchange Program, no, you cannot use the Robux from the subscription you are paying to exchange for real money. It's right here in the Developer Exchange Terms of Use at Article 4 "Earned Robux": https://en.help.roblox.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005718246-Developer-Exchange-Terms-of-Use
The Publishing Advance fee
Here is the source for the publishing advance: https://create.roblox.com/docs/art/marketplace/marketplace-fees-and-commissions#publishing-advance
They give you this table below, I edited the header to make it clear that these prices are in Robux:
They give an example on that page for how the publishing advance fee is paid off. You, the creator receives a commission of 30% for every unit sold, Roblox takes a 30% cut of every unit sold as the Platform fee, and then Roblox takes the remaining 40% as the Affiliate fee. Here is the source: https://create.roblox.com/docs/prod...x#creating-selling-and-reselling-avatar-items
You will see two purchases mentioned:
Ignore the In-Experience Purchase (Experience means the games inside Roblox), this thread's news is about selling 3D Avatar Assets on the Roblox Marketplace, that means Roblox takes a 70% cut on every unit sold of the assets you create.
So, now onto their example they gave. You create a 3D item of asset type shirt for example which has a publishing advance fee of 1000 Robux. Remember! This is a refundable upfront fee that you have to pay in Robux. Let's say you use up the 1000 Robux from your Premium 1000 subscription to pay for it.
They say in the example that they choose the price of 400 Robux for the 3D item and selling it in an experience (but as I mentioned before, you are selling the assets in the Marketplace, not in an experience).
If you sell 1 unit of that shirt at 400 Robux, you get 120 Robux as your 30% creator commission, the 30% platform commission which is 120 Robux goes to paying off your Publishing Advance Fee and then the remaining 40% goes to Roblox as the Affiliate fee because they own the Marketplace.
By the 9th unit sold, the last 40 Robux pays off the Publishing Advance fee of 1000 Robux for that example. Now the rest of that 80 Robux goes to Roblox for the Platform Commission. The rest of the commissions are the same.
Then from the 10th unit sold onwards, you get 120 Robux per unit sold as per the 30% creator commission while Roblox receives 280 Robux per unit sold which is platform commission and the affiliate commission which is 70% in total.
Important note regarding commissions: https://create.roblox.com/docs/art/marketplace/marketplace-fees-and-commissions#commissions
Note: The 30 day escrow does not apply for rebates (this is regarding the publishing advance fee).
Even though you are making sales, Roblox does a 30 day escrow on your earnings! You have to wait before being able to cash out your earnings.
Here are the details if you want to sell limited items (you can skip reading this if you want): https://create.roblox.com/docs/art/marketplace/marketplace-fees-and-commissions#limiteds
Remember that thread I made titled, "How "antidumping" provisions resulted in the "artificial scarcity" label that Nintendo was associated with since 1988.": https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...nintendo-was-associated-with-since-1988.2571/
You would have learned about price floors in that thread and why it was implemented. It turns out the Roblox Marketplace implements price floors as well: https://create.roblox.com/docs/art/marketplace/marketplace-fees-and-commissions#price-ranges
They say this clearly from the FAQ I posted earlier:
You would think I was done referencing everything from the Marketplace Fees And Commissions page but I'm not done yet. Did you know that besides the Publishing Advance Fee, there is also an Upload Fee? https://create.roblox.com/docs/art/marketplace/marketplace-fees-and-commissions#upload-fees
Every 3D item you upload will incur a fee of 750 Robux on top of the Publishing Advance fee that depends on what type of 3D Avatar Asset you are selling. Then you have Roblox taking a 70% cut on the sales of your 3D items on the Roblox Marketplace. Don't forget about the 30 day escrow period for receiving your 30% cut of the sale while you have to pay for a monthly premium subscription.
Now we pretend you made a bit of Robux, how do you cash it out for real money? It's good that I already went into detail about this in my last thread titled, "Eurogamer interviews Roblox Studio head about the exploitation of child labor." Here is the thread: https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...d-about-the-exploitation-of-child-labor.2554/
In there I detail the developer exchange program. Read the OP regarding details of how many creators have joined the developer exchange program (Hint: 11,000 developers joined the program as of December 2022). The program requires that you need to be holding 30,000 Robux to exchange it for real-world currency.
Here is my post on the conversion rate of Robux to USD: https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...-exploitation-of-child-labor.2554/post-244318
Here is my other post showing how less than 2% of creators have actually exchanged their Robux for real-world currency: https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...-exploitation-of-child-labor.2554/post-244139
That should be all of it. While Roblox Corp is "opening up" their Marketplace to more creators, you can tell that this is so that they can make more money, not you. Remember that you are not an employee of Roblox Corp, you are a "creator" and receive no wages.
You are the prosumer.
I won't be referencing anything from the article above because the information comes from the Roblox developer forum: https://devforum.roblox.com/t/opening-up-marketplace-to-more-creators/2931299
Here is the Roblox Marketplace if you haven't seen it before: https://www.roblox.com/catalog
Here is their announcement:
Previously, you created and sold 3D items on Roblox by application:
Here is the part that is relevant to the prosumer model which I'll go into more detail later, eligibility for creating and selling 3D items on Roblox requires a subscription:
There's more from the announcement if you go to the link because I'm skipping parts of it. Here's the part regarding the publishing advance fee:
Skipping to the FAQ on the page, here are relevant questions:
How this relates to the Prosumer model
Now to go over the details. If you don't know what the prosumer model is, go to my thread linked here: https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...e-industry-part-4-rise-of-the-prosumers.2393/
How is the prosumer model in effect in the Roblox marketplace? To be able to create and sell 3D items on the marketplace which used to require an application now requires paying for a subscription. The subscriptions mentioned are Premium 1000 and Premium 2200. If you read my previous Roblox thread, I detailed the costs there, you'll also want to reference it because the fees you have to pay are in Robux and there's no flat conversion rate for buying Robux: https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...-exploitation-of-child-labor.2554/post-244329
The subscription is a monthly subscription, the Premium 1000 subscription costs $9.99 per month while the Premium 2200 costs $19.99 per month. Here is their page where they tell you what you get from the subscription: https://www.roblox.com/premium/membership
What do you get from the subscription?
It's a consumer subscription that gives you the above and either 1000 Robux from the Premium 1000 or, 2200 Robux from the Premium 2200. That's how you are a prosumer in this, it went from filling out an application to create and sell 3D items to making you pay for a consumer subscription of which all you can do with the Robux is spend it on the Roblox platform. You are both the worker and consumer in this (although that was already the case before since I detailed it in my prosumer model thread).
In case you are wondering if you read my other Roblox thread about the Developer Exchange Program, no, you cannot use the Robux from the subscription you are paying to exchange for real money. It's right here in the Developer Exchange Terms of Use at Article 4 "Earned Robux": https://en.help.roblox.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005718246-Developer-Exchange-Terms-of-Use
The Publishing Advance fee
Here is the source for the publishing advance: https://create.roblox.com/docs/art/marketplace/marketplace-fees-and-commissions#publishing-advance
They give you this table below, I edited the header to make it clear that these prices are in Robux:
| Asset Type | Non-Limited Publishing Advance (In Robux) | Paid Limited Publishing Advance (In Robux) |
|---|---|---|
| Hat | 1500 | 20000 |
| Face | 1500 | 20000 |
| Hair | 1700 | 20000 |
| Neck | 1000 | 15000 |
| Shoulder | 1000 | 15000 |
| Front | 1000 | 15000 |
| Back | 1000 | 15000 |
| Waist | 1000 | 15000 |
| Jacket | 1000 | 13000 |
| T-Shirt | 1000 | 13000 |
| Shirt | 1000 | 13000 |
| Sweater | 1000 | 13000 |
| Pants | 1500 | 16000 |
| Dress/Skirt | 1500 | 16000 |
| Shorts | 1500 | 16000 |
| Body | 4000 | Not available as Limiteds. |
| Head | 1500 | Not available as Limiteds. |
They give an example on that page for how the publishing advance fee is paid off. You, the creator receives a commission of 30% for every unit sold, Roblox takes a 30% cut of every unit sold as the Platform fee, and then Roblox takes the remaining 40% as the Affiliate fee. Here is the source: https://create.roblox.com/docs/prod...x#creating-selling-and-reselling-avatar-items
You will see two purchases mentioned:
Ignore the In-Experience Purchase (Experience means the games inside Roblox), this thread's news is about selling 3D Avatar Assets on the Roblox Marketplace, that means Roblox takes a 70% cut on every unit sold of the assets you create.
So, now onto their example they gave. You create a 3D item of asset type shirt for example which has a publishing advance fee of 1000 Robux. Remember! This is a refundable upfront fee that you have to pay in Robux. Let's say you use up the 1000 Robux from your Premium 1000 subscription to pay for it.
They say in the example that they choose the price of 400 Robux for the 3D item and selling it in an experience (but as I mentioned before, you are selling the assets in the Marketplace, not in an experience).
If you sell 1 unit of that shirt at 400 Robux, you get 120 Robux as your 30% creator commission, the 30% platform commission which is 120 Robux goes to paying off your Publishing Advance Fee and then the remaining 40% goes to Roblox as the Affiliate fee because they own the Marketplace.
By the 9th unit sold, the last 40 Robux pays off the Publishing Advance fee of 1000 Robux for that example. Now the rest of that 80 Robux goes to Roblox for the Platform Commission. The rest of the commissions are the same.
Then from the 10th unit sold onwards, you get 120 Robux per unit sold as per the 30% creator commission while Roblox receives 280 Robux per unit sold which is platform commission and the affiliate commission which is 70% in total.
Important note regarding commissions: https://create.roblox.com/docs/art/marketplace/marketplace-fees-and-commissions#commissions
Note: The 30 day escrow does not apply for rebates (this is regarding the publishing advance fee).
Even though you are making sales, Roblox does a 30 day escrow on your earnings! You have to wait before being able to cash out your earnings.
Here are the details if you want to sell limited items (you can skip reading this if you want): https://create.roblox.com/docs/art/marketplace/marketplace-fees-and-commissions#limiteds
Remember that thread I made titled, "How "antidumping" provisions resulted in the "artificial scarcity" label that Nintendo was associated with since 1988.": https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...nintendo-was-associated-with-since-1988.2571/
You would have learned about price floors in that thread and why it was implemented. It turns out the Roblox Marketplace implements price floors as well: https://create.roblox.com/docs/art/marketplace/marketplace-fees-and-commissions#price-ranges
They say this clearly from the FAQ I posted earlier:
You would think I was done referencing everything from the Marketplace Fees And Commissions page but I'm not done yet. Did you know that besides the Publishing Advance Fee, there is also an Upload Fee? https://create.roblox.com/docs/art/marketplace/marketplace-fees-and-commissions#upload-fees
Every 3D item you upload will incur a fee of 750 Robux on top of the Publishing Advance fee that depends on what type of 3D Avatar Asset you are selling. Then you have Roblox taking a 70% cut on the sales of your 3D items on the Roblox Marketplace. Don't forget about the 30 day escrow period for receiving your 30% cut of the sale while you have to pay for a monthly premium subscription.
Now we pretend you made a bit of Robux, how do you cash it out for real money? It's good that I already went into detail about this in my last thread titled, "Eurogamer interviews Roblox Studio head about the exploitation of child labor." Here is the thread: https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...d-about-the-exploitation-of-child-labor.2554/
In there I detail the developer exchange program. Read the OP regarding details of how many creators have joined the developer exchange program (Hint: 11,000 developers joined the program as of December 2022). The program requires that you need to be holding 30,000 Robux to exchange it for real-world currency.
Here is my post on the conversion rate of Robux to USD: https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...-exploitation-of-child-labor.2554/post-244318
Here is my other post showing how less than 2% of creators have actually exchanged their Robux for real-world currency: https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...-exploitation-of-child-labor.2554/post-244139
That should be all of it. While Roblox Corp is "opening up" their Marketplace to more creators, you can tell that this is so that they can make more money, not you. Remember that you are not an employee of Roblox Corp, you are a "creator" and receive no wages.
You are the prosumer.
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