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Do we have data on that, outside of physical-only drops?
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Super Mario Bros. Wonder sold 4.3 million copies in its first 2 weeks
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Do we have data on that, outside of physical-only drops?
So you think on digital storefronts games drop significantly less in their second week? Is there anything you can base this on?
There is not much reason to think Spider-man had a 50% drop 2nd week. Retail we can see like Spain (80%) and Uk (69%) doesn’t point to that and while digital will be a huge chunk, the general sales pattern week on week isn’t going to differ between the two so radically without some outside event.
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Physical media is usually an enthusiast format, which is also the crowd buying a game day one. It's really not hard to come to the conclusion that first-week/day-one is more physical-heavy in comparison to catalogue sales that lean more digital.
Catalog sales are going to be long term and involve discounts. This is still very much the launch period.
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People are insane to take every little thing said somewhere at face value.
He just said in a new post that he only checked first week sales. Even then, i find it hard to believe. There is no way in hell Spider-Man 2 only sold under 4.3m copies in two weeks
what is this NPD or global sales?
Wait NPD sales are not even ready yet (right or do subs get weekly software updates?), so how would he have this information?
Catalogue sales don't have anything to do with this.
When I said catalogue I meant the people outside the enthusiast crowd that had to had the game day one. My point being that there's overlap between that day-one audience and the physical-buyers niche.
Physical buyers are not a niche. It's gonna take years for that to actually be the case.
The actual casual gamers still buy physical games a lot.
Apparently it's the opposite for PS Studios in the "digital heavy" UK.
Launch digital ratios:
GT7 - 57%
GoW - 50%
HFW - 49%
SM2 - 65%
Year 1 digital ratios:
GT7 - 42%
GoW - 34%
HFW - 23%
SM2 - let's see...
edit: even longterm catalog declines from what we can tell?
SMMM 2020 - 32%
SMMM 2021 - 31%
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This is one of the most out of touch takes I’ve ever heard.
Only the US and UK have digital majority markets and physical is still big. Every other country is majority physical still.
try telling that to xbox users with their 90% digital ratio
all them niche buyers in Japan
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What fiendcode posted is a data point showing that digital actually decrease faster than physical.
So the question now is... do you have data to support your posts below? I'm happy to be proven wrong by data but I'm really tired of people just making up stuff without any base. This is not reason why we started IB.
Why is there all this chatter about Spiderman in my Super Mario thread? lmao Doesn't that game has it's own thread?
Anyway talking about how frontloaded super anticipated games, with insane fanbases can be, you just need to look at Zelda: 10 million first 3 days, 5.6 million the next 59 days, 1.9 million in the next 3 months, and that game is going to have insane legs, use that information as you want.
Anyway talking about how frontloaded super anticipated games, with insane fanbases can be, you just need to look at Zelda: 10 million first 3 days, 5.6 million the next 59 days, 1.9 million in the next 3 months, and that game is going to have insane legs, use that information as you want.
Those numbers are insane, almost tripling the sales is crazy to me, even Wonder is going to struggle against that. Will be fun to watch.
After 2 weeks, New Super Mario Bros Wii was at ~3.5M. After 7 weeks, it was at 9.5M.
Great sales. I guess Zelda Pokemon and Splatoon has spoilt my expectations. Thought with the Movie boost we would see huge initial sales.
Was wondering why we didn’t get a press release within the week after release. Wonder what the shipment number is at and what is the the difference between it and Odyssey
And I know it will have insane legs as all 2D Mario’s do. Just expected a far bigger 3day opening from Odyssey
Was wondering why we didn’t get a press release within the week after release. Wonder what the shipment number is at and what is the the difference between it and Odyssey
And I know it will have insane legs as all 2D Mario’s do. Just expected a far bigger 3day opening from Odyssey
Odyssey opened at 2m so you are looking at an opening around 50% bigger.
Mario Kart Wii doesn't matter here at all as SMBW's launch is the biggest ever Super Mario launch and not Mario in general. Mario Kart Wii is likely the one Mario game with an actually bigger launch. NSMBWii if the launches in all regions are aligned still launched lower than SMBW as visible in the chart that @Lelouch0612 provided.
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Yeah kek. IN what world is physical buyers niche? Those are the utmost mainstream buyers lol.
Also this shows that Wonder has better legs.(Which is no duhhh statement) but for Spidey, it can still be bigger than Mario anway considering its bigger launch number.
I think the insane success of the switch has made a lot of us forget how ridiculously big the wii and DS were. The fact that SW records set during that gen have been smashed this gen is mind boggling.
They’ll both sell over 20m in the long run
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Mario Wonder doesn't need bundle and official price reduction for that while Spidey needs to have that. Well it seems it has already started.
It's Sell-In vs. Sell-Out, though.
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Yeah, my bad. Thought in the supplemental information document it's always sell-in. But that seems wrong.
Don't you still have to pay far more for your ps5 then you ever would have for a switch? Plus the ps5 price reduction is just cancelling out the price increase. It's still at launch price.
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Thought that Mario Wonder would open higher, at least close to Arceus numbers
Nintendo does bundles too anyway.
Oh yeah, i doubt that SM2 its going to have a price cut soon, it took a long time for it to happen with Ragnarok.
The PS5 userbase really want these kind of games, its not that hard to understand
I dont know what you have against bundles but the effect in Spiderman sales is minimal.
Nintendo does bundles too anyway.
Oh yeah, i doubt that SM2 its going to have a price cut soon, it took a long time for it to happen with Ragnarok.
The PS5 userbase really want these kind of games, its not that hard to understand
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MKWii had a weaker quarter launch (6.42m) than NSMBWii (10.5m)
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Overall C-Team game and Nicheman both will blast through 20m easily. Holiday boost is going to be huge for both title there.
Odyssey was in 3 days though. So was expecting like 4.3-5m in 3 days. Then again the other sales have spoilt my expectations seem 2D Mario still follows the same pattern as before
That makes it very unlikely it had a bigger launch than SMBW.
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Spider-Man 20 million update is from Nov 2020. It has been charting in top 20 NPD, PSN, or even EU monthly charts many times since along with PC release in 2022 which sold 1.5m+ in first few months. Its easily 26M+ at this point.
Yeah, i think the floor for Spider-Man 2018 with the remaster and port is probably around 25m
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Guess John Harker has been confirmed to be wrong now?
SM2 has generally seen bigger % drops (%, not total units) than MW.
Mario has an installbase almost 3 times as much as SM2. And effortlessly is a weird description considering SM2 outsold Wonder despite the installbase difference.
MKWii didn't launch during the Holidays tho.
Since looking at the data we have (1.1m in the US, 810k in Japan), Wonder is probably above.
Plus, MKWii had a staggered release.
Super Mario and Spiderman are among the biggest IPs in the entertainment industry so it makes sense they sell so well and they will keep in doing so given that holiday season is coming.
Isn't digital buying more mainstream? Casual gamers just download games while on internet gaming forums everyone just talks about physical sales all the time. Digital sales are higher than physical sales on every platform except for Switch.
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Unless you include all games that are digital only as well, then no (?) On this very page, you got the following examples from the UK:
Once consoles mature, installbase has little to no impact on sales. Expecting Mario to sell 15 million copies in 2 weeks just because of installbase is not how any of this works.
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aren't most charts still exclude nintendo digital? so it's fair game there, besides nintendo digital sales have been increasing alot in last few years, either way both games have similar sales after first 2 weeks, legs will determine the winner and ill never bet against a Mario game in that department, wonder can sell for years while spiderman can get its legs cut by a sequel
anything that doesn't require being tech-savvy is going to be more mainstream, no matter how "simple" it may seem to us
maybe in a few generations when every consumer has grown up with the internet then it will become truly mainstream
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Console warring is so dull to begin with. Console warring over two games that had comparable launches and with most of their unit sales still ahead of them is making me sleepy.
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Especially since those games are in different genres. That's why we don't encourage those comparisons over here.
There are plenty of more relevant titles to compare Spidey and Mario performances.