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| SQUARE ENIX HOLDINGS CO., LTD. | FY3/2024 |
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| Net Sales | YoY% |
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| 1st Quarter | ¥85,669M | +14.41% |
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| 2nd Quarter | ¥86,377M | -2.42% |
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| 1st Half | ¥172,046M | +5.3% |
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|FY3/2024 Forecast| ¥360,000M |
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| 1st Quarter | ¥3,097M | -78.54% |
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| 2nd Quarter | ¥14,240M | +22.61% |
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| 1st Half | ¥17,337M | -33.43% |
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|FY3/2024 Forecast| ¥55,000M |
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| 1st Quarter | 3.62% |
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| 2nd Quarter | 16.49% |
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| 1st Half | 10.08% |
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| 1st Quarter | ¥6,300M | -65.68% |
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| 2nd Quarter | ¥10,323M | -51.12% |
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| 1st Half | ¥16,623M | -57.89% |
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|FY3/2024 Forecast| ¥38,500M |
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| SQUARE ENIX HOLDINGS CO., LTD. | FY3/2024 |
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| 1st Quarter | ¥28,900M |
| YoY% | +140.83% |
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| 2nd Quarter | ¥14,800M |
| YoY% | -14.94% |
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| 1st Half | ¥43,700M |
| YoY% | +48.64% |
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| 1st Quarter | ¥11,000M |
| YoY% | -21.99% |
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| 2nd Quarter | ¥12,900M |
| YoY% | -11.03% |
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| 1st Half | ¥23,900M |
| YoY% | -16.43% |
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| 1st Quarter | ¥39,900M | 7.54M | ¥5,292 |
| YoY% | +52.87% | +76.17% | -13.22% |
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| 2nd Quarter | ¥27,700M | 4.63M | ¥5,983 |
| YoY% | -13.17% | -9.75% | -3.78% |
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| 1st Half | ¥67,600M | 12.17M | ¥5,555 |
| YoY% | +16.55% | +29.33% | -9.88% |
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| FY3/2004 2nd Quarter | ¥11,568M |
| FY3/2005 2nd Quarter | ¥12,353M |
| FY3/2006 2nd Quarter | ¥15,813M |
| FY3/2007 2nd Quarter | ¥38,763M |
| FY3/2008 2nd Quarter | ¥38,522M |
| FY3/2009 2nd Quarter | ¥38,204M |
| FY3/2010 2nd Quarter | ¥61,162M |
| FY3/2011 2nd Quarter | ¥35,516M |
| FY3/2012 2nd Quarter | ¥32,987M |
| FY3/2013 2nd Quarter | ¥36,141M |
| FY3/2014 2nd Quarter | ¥37,581M |
| FY3/2015 2nd Quarter | ¥35,376M |
| FY3/2016 2nd Quarter | ¥44,078M |
| FY3/2017 2nd Quarter | ¥55,154M |
| FY3/2018 2nd Quarter | ¥75,043M |
| FY3/2019 2nd Quarter | ¥66,764M |
| FY3/2020 2nd Quarter | ¥67,433M |
| FY3/2021 2nd Quarter | ¥85,677M |
| FY3/2022 2nd Quarter | ¥80,313M |
| FY3/2023 2nd Quarter | ¥88,516M |
| FY3/2024 2nd Quarter | ¥86,377M |
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| Sum | ¥1,043,341M |
| Average | ¥49,683M |
| Median | ¥38,763M |
| Minimum | ¥11,568M |
| Maximum | ¥88,516M |
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| FY3/2004 2nd Quarter | ¥1,669M |
| FY3/2005 2nd Quarter | ¥2,442M |
| FY3/2006 2nd Quarter | ¥2,112M |
| FY3/2007 2nd Quarter | ¥6,452M |
| FY3/2008 2nd Quarter | ¥5,417M |
| FY3/2009 2nd Quarter | ¥5,933M |
| FY3/2010 2nd Quarter | ¥12,497M |
| FY3/2011 2nd Quarter | ¥278M |
| FY3/2012 2nd Quarter | ¥5,213M |
| FY3/2013 2nd Quarter | ¥-4,077M |
| FY3/2014 2nd Quarter | ¥3,986M |
| FY3/2015 2nd Quarter | ¥3,439M |
| FY3/2016 2nd Quarter | ¥4,671M |
| FY3/2017 2nd Quarter | ¥2,166M |
| FY3/2018 2nd Quarter | ¥12,942M |
| FY3/2019 2nd Quarter | ¥5,819M |
| FY3/2020 2nd Quarter | ¥8,729M |
| FY3/2021 2nd Quarter | ¥7,106M |
| FY3/2022 2nd Quarter | ¥11,830M |
| FY3/2023 2nd Quarter | ¥11,614M |
| FY3/2024 2nd Quarter | ¥14,240M |
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| Sum | ¥124,478M |
| Average | ¥5,928M |
| Median | ¥5,417M |
| Minimum | ¥-4,077M |
| Maximum | ¥14,240M |
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| FY3/2004 2nd Quarter | ¥1,042M |
| FY3/2005 2nd Quarter | ¥1,299M |
| FY3/2006 2nd Quarter | ¥2,149M |
| FY3/2007 2nd Quarter | ¥2,431M |
| FY3/2008 2nd Quarter | ¥1,658M |
| FY3/2009 2nd Quarter | ¥3,171M |
| FY3/2010 2nd Quarter | ¥4,355M |
| FY3/2011 2nd Quarter | ¥-89M |
| FY3/2012 2nd Quarter | ¥3,014M |
| FY3/2013 2nd Quarter | ¥-3,403M |
| FY3/2014 2nd Quarter | ¥3,099M |
| FY3/2015 2nd Quarter | ¥2,294M |
| FY3/2016 2nd Quarter | ¥1,325M |
| FY3/2017 2nd Quarter | ¥159M |
| FY3/2018 2nd Quarter | ¥9,147M |
| FY3/2019 2nd Quarter | ¥2,770M |
| FY3/2020 2nd Quarter | ¥6,847M |
| FY3/2021 2nd Quarter | ¥1,675M |
| FY3/2022 2nd Quarter | ¥10,336M |
| FY3/2023 2nd Quarter | ¥21,118M |
| FY3/2024 2nd Quarter | ¥10,323M |
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| Sum | ¥84,720M |
| Average | ¥4,034M |
| Median | ¥2,431M |
| Minimum | ¥-3,403M |
| Maximum | ¥21,118M |
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| FY3/2020 2nd Quarter | ¥10,800M |
| FY3/2021 2nd Quarter | ¥23,700M |
| FY3/2022 2nd Quarter | ¥14,400M |
| FY3/2023 2nd Quarter | ¥17,400M |
| FY3/2024 2nd Quarter | ¥14,800M |
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| Sum | ¥81,100M |
| Average | ¥16,220M |
| Median | ¥14,800M |
| Minimum | ¥10,800M |
| Maximum | ¥23,700M |
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| FY3/2020 2nd Quarter | ¥13,600M |
| FY3/2021 2nd Quarter | ¥10,800M |
| FY3/2022 2nd Quarter | ¥16,100M |
| FY3/2023 2nd Quarter | ¥14,500M |
| FY3/2024 2nd Quarter | ¥12,900M |
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| Sum | ¥67,900M |
| Average | ¥13,580M |
| Median | ¥13,600M |
| Minimum | ¥10,800M |
| Maximum | ¥16,100M |
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| FY3/2020 2nd Quarter | ¥24,400M | 5.4M | ¥4,519 |
| FY3/2021 2nd Quarter | ¥34,500M | 5.87M | ¥5,877 |
| FY3/2022 2nd Quarter | ¥30,500M | 7.34M | ¥4,155 |
| FY3/2023 2nd Quarter | ¥31,900M | 5.13M | ¥6,218 |
| FY3/2024 2nd Quarter | ¥27,700M | 4.63M | ¥5,983 |
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| Sum | ¥149,000M | 28.37M | ¥26,752 |
| Average | ¥29,800M | 5.67M | ¥5,350 |
| Median | ¥30,500M | 5.4M | ¥5,877 |
| Minimum | ¥24,400M | 4.63M | ¥4,155 |
| Maximum | ¥34,500M | 7.34M | ¥6,218 |
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Do you mean 16? Probably, I believe all the copies they sold to Sony to bundle with PS5s were digital. I think a lot of the sales they contributed to this quarter were also from the remasters, which are sold exclusively digitally right now (in Japan at least).
With all the accusations from Bloomberg, if the game has reached any meaningful milestone, they would've said it.
lol yes i do. yeah that makes sense for the high digital, i was just surprised that a new entry can’t even seemingly pull like… probably any more than 2 mil or so at retail
Need? Probably. Will they? Now that's the question. Though I don't think that Nier will help them that much. Did Replicant sell well? I know that Automata was pretty popular (and produces a lot of fan art), but it feels like Replicant came and went.
At this point FF games are being sold to the people who would have bought the game anyway. I am curious of PC performance as it will launch with smaller gap (in comparison to FF7R).
But isn't bundled copy counted as a physical/retail?
Rookie
They'd probably announce a 5m or higher milestone going by past titles so I'd wager it's still below that.
It's counted as package/retail by Famitsu/MC, but SE could choose to count it however they see fit. I think they probably count it as a download/digital, as this would fit best with the way they want to show digital growth, but I'm not particularly loyal to it if I am shown a good alternative theory one way or another. One might be able to investigate this by combining known package sales from Famitsu in FY2023/3 H1 to what they report in their table, as I don't think they had any digital download codes bundled with hardware then, so it should be fairly straight forward.
Replicant sold over 1.5 million. It was big decline from Automata, but it was a remake of a game that was a huge failure. It was highly unlikely to sell as well as a new installment. Also, saying Automata was "pretty popular" is a massive understatement. It has sold 7.5 million, and it keeps selling, even now. The game has outsold every Kingdom Hearts and every Dragon Quest game . NieR is now Square's second biggest series. It's always possible they will drop the ball with NieR 3 and the series will be a one-hit wonder, but there's no reason to think that it wouldn't be at least a multi-million seller.
1 platform is not really a limiter people think it is. The limit is of an install base is going to be like 15% at launch and the limit doesn't really apply after that unless the install base is under 20 million (though in that the launch limit can be higher). There is still some minor loss from not reaching every possible consumer but, that isn't that much in the grand scheme of things,
The original PS360 NieR sold 700k so the remake essentially doubled it. I wouldn't call it a huge failure either. It wasn't exactly a hit but still a modest seller and a decent increase from the earlier Drakengard titles on PS2.
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I don't really understand your point, as of now Square Enix is making FF games with an incredible AAA budget that makes them bomb due to only selling 5 million copies when they get budget as if they are God of war popular, which they evidently are not. So what is the point to continue to give these games such a high budget in the future? Square Enix probably don't want to continue releasing FF bombs in the future, and some magical westernification to make these games more popular with mainstream western gamers haven't led to anything of value for them either. Of course they would want ultra budgeted AAA FF games to sell 10-15 million copies and everything would be great for them, but is that in any way realistic? Or would it be more realistic to scale down the ambition level, pocket a profit from 4-5 million sales? To me that seems way more realistic than to see FF explode in popularity with the current gaming landscape and see the next FF game double or triple the amount of sales XVI did.
I think Automata was the exception. I doubt the next Nier will come close to Automata. For various reasons.
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2B is far more marketable then anyone in Replicant.
Just throw Father NieR in a miniskirt.
It is probably in line with FF7R sales, albeit lower. But the chart probably will be similar.
Packaged version reprints of the Pixel Remaster collection started becoming readily available at different retailers in June too iirc, so that could've given it a decent push sustained over the summer. And each game is counted separately 1 packaged sale might equate to 6 sales drpending on how Square counts them.
7R released in April during Q1 of FY2020 and had a sales update 4 months later when the Q1 report came out in August and we were in Q2 by then, XV also had a sales update in January of 2017 which was the start of Q4 FY2017 which had a report in Feb 2017 also state that XV had exceeded expectations with the 6m and that its DLC margins were also high, and it released at the tail end of Q3 FY 2017. FFXIII also got a number of sales updates from Dec 2009 to May 2010, partly due to the staggered release but even then they updated its total numbers in May from what it was in March too.
FFXVI cost significantly more than RE4 remake, also was in dev significantly longer, RE4R doing the numbers its doing is more impressive than FFXVI doing the numbers its doing, and I responded to this wild claim in the other thread but there is no way XVI is even close to 4m yet based on its extremely poor sales from Q2 onward.
No shot, based on its terrible Q2 onward sales its most likely it hasn't even sold through 3 million yet, absolute best case scenario is it's at 3.5m now which is still not good.
They will increase. In time. You need to grow you community. And also 7m is the exception due to FF7R being a very anticipating game. I don't think FF7R will sell anywhere close.
You're skipping a lot of steps there, as in, nearly a full decade of sales and development costs. Tomb Raider was a high budget game in what is probably the most expensive region in the world for game development, and had two sequels to prove itself and showed that it continued to make really expensive games that barely made any money. The high bid for the studio and franchise was only $300M because everybody that looked at it also saw high risk, low reward outcomes, and nothing at all about Embracer's last year suggests they managed to find some secret sauce or that their flood of acquisitions were some hidden treasures destined for hits.
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Ever since FFXVI was released Square Enix has released bad financial report after another, so the game seems to have bombed pretty badly from the start, whatever they expected in sales seems to be much higher than the sales they got in reality. And i am one of the people that actually liked XVI, but from SE point of view it seems to have failed everything they tried to achieve with the game. The legs are terrible and it almost stopped selling at all after the 1 week or so.
Based on how fast SE put FFXVI on sale and how it's already selling so terribly, it is selling worse than Tomb Raider 2013 in comparable time frame.You're skipping a lot of steps there, as in, nearly a full decade of sales and development costs. Tomb Raider was a high budget game in what is probably the most expensive region in the world for game development, and had two sequels to prove itself and showed that it continued to make really expensive games that barely made any money. The high bid for the studio and franchise was only $300M because everybody that looked at it also saw high risk, low reward outcomes, and nothing at all about Embracer's last year suggests they managed to find some secret sauce or that their flood of acquisitions were some hidden treasures destined for hits.
Tomb Raider 1 did eventually get there:
But it took time and probably had a decent number of sales and bundles getting there. The PS3 era was peak of the "steep sales" leg approach because subscription services hadn't been around to act is a primary source of leg revenue.Tomb Raider projected to hit 6M sales, become the franchise’s best-selling title
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We, as a sales forum, look at raw copies moved or bundled, but FF16 is almost certainly going to keep a higher revenue per copy sold on top of a bunch of additional revenue from subscription services or effective marketing revenue.
