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PlayStation Plus becomes a three-tier sub service starting from June: merging with PS Now, PS1/PS2/PSP games as native and PS3 via cloud and more

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PlayStation Plus and PlayStation Now come together; players can choose from three flexible options.
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Today, we are pleased to share with you official news about changes coming to our subscription services. This June, we’re bringing together PlayStation Plus and PlayStation Now in an all-new PlayStation Plus subscription service that provides more choice to customers across three membership tiers globally.

Our focus is on providing high-quality, curated content with a diverse portfolio of games*. Below is an overview of the three membership tiers:

PlayStation Plus Essential

Benefits:
Provides the same benefits that PlayStation Plus members are getting today, such as:
Two monthly downloadable games
Exclusive discounts
Cloud storage for saved games
Online multiplayer access
There are no changes for existing PlayStation Plus members in this tier.

Price* for PlayStation Plus Essential remains the same as the current price for PlayStation Plus.
United States
$9.99 monthly / $24.99 quarterly / $59.99 yearly
Europe
€8.99 monthly / €24.99 quarterly / €59.99 yearly
United Kingdom
£6.99 monthly / £19.99 quarterly / £49.99 yearly
Japan
¥850 monthly / ¥2,150 quarterly / ¥5,143 yearly
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PlayStation Plus Extra

Benefits:
Provides all the benefits from the Essential tier
Adds a catalog of up to 400* of the most enjoyable PS4 and PS5 games – including blockbuster hits from our PlayStation Studios catalog and third-party partners. Games in the Extra tier are downloadable for play.
Price*:
United States
$14.99 monthly / $39.99 quarterly / $99.99 yearly
Europe
€13.99 monthly / €39.99 quarterly / €99.99 yearly
United Kingdom
£10.99 monthly / £31.99 quarterly / £83.99 yearly
Japan
¥1,300 monthly / ¥3,600 quarterly / ¥8,600 yearly
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PlayStation Plus Premium**

Benefits:
Provides all the benefits from Essential and Extra tiers
Adds up to 340* additional games, including:
PS3 games available via cloud streaming
A catalog of beloved classic games available in both streaming and download options from the original PlayStation, PS2 and PSP generations
Offers cloud streaming access for original PlayStation, PS2, PSP and PS4 games offered in the Extra and Premium tiers in markets** where PlayStation Now is currently available. Customers can stream games using PS4 and PS5 consoles, and PC.***
Time-limited game trials will also be offered in this tier, so customers can try select games before they buy.
Price*:
United States
$17.99 monthly / $49.99 quarterly / $119.99 yearly
Europe
€16.99 monthly / €49.99 quarterly / €119.99 yearly
United Kingdom
£13.49 monthly / £39.99 quarterly / £99.99 yearly
Japan
¥1,550 – monthly / ¥4,300 – quarterly / ¥10,250 yearly
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PlayStation Plus Deluxe (Select Markets) For markets without cloud streaming, PlayStation Plus Deluxe will be offered at a lower price compared to Premium, and includes a catalog of beloved classic games from the original PlayStation, PS2 and PSP generations to download and play, along with time-limited game trials. Benefits from Essential and Extra tiers are also included. Local pricing will vary by market.
The new Extra and Premium tiers represent a major evolution for PlayStation Plus. With these tiers, our key focus is to ensure that the hundreds of games we offer will include the best quality content that sets us apart. At launch, we plan to include titles such as Death Stranding, God of War, Marvel’s Spider-Man, Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales, Mortal Kombat 11, and Returnal. We’re working closely with our imaginative developers from PlayStation Studios and third-party partners to include some of the best gaming experiences available with a library that will be regularly refreshed. More details to come on the games we’ll have on our new PlayStation Plus service.

When the new PlayStation Plus service launches, PlayStation Now will transition into the new PlayStation Plus offering and will no longer be available as a standalone service. PlayStation Now customers will migrate over to PlayStation Plus Premium with no increase to their current subscription fees at launch.
 
This is a very smart business move.
It does not change anything. If you subscribe to PS+ and PS Now for $60 each or PS+ Premium for $120. You get the same for the same price under a slightly different name.
But PS Now was a "dead" brand and service, polar opposite to PS+ and now Sony can upsell the higher tiers to their 45m PS+ userbase.
More people will subscribe to PS+ Extra and Premium than PS Now. That is inevitable.
 
Will the 400 and 340 additional games for PS Plus Extra and Premium respectively all be available at launch in June?

That's a strong launch lineup if true.
 
So this is essentially Playstation Plus merged with PS Now, and with PS1/PS2/PSP games added on.

It's a small price drop compared to PS Plus + PS Now for the equivilent PS Plus Extra ($120 per year down to $100), and then the normal $120 per year for the new Premium Tier.

Not bad, but the barrier to entry is fairly high. Sony probably would've been better served by decoupling online play from the subscription, lowering the price for the PS Now part of the subscription and then upselling people with online play/classic games.

Basically Tier 2 should've been Tier 1, then Tier 1 should've been Tier 2.
 
awng782 said:
Will the 400 and 340 additional games for PS Plus Extra and Premium respectively all be available at launch in June?

That's a strong launch lineup if true.
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I'm assuming this is just counting current PS Now games honestly. For example, PS Now currently has 400 PS4 games. There might be a few here and there that aren't on there yet (like Returnal, Miles Morales) but I don't expect that many more additions right away. Appealing to those that maybe didn't pay attention to PS Now but for those who knew what was on there not much is changing.
 
Price Details for other regions

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(For Southeast Asia) All-new PlayStation Plus launches in June with hundreds of games and more value than ever

PlayStation Plus and PlayStation Now come together; players can choose from three flexible options
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PLAYSTATION PLUS ESSENTIAL​

  • Benefits:
    • Provides the same benefits that PlayStation Plus members are getting today, such as:
      • Two monthly downloadable games
      • Exclusive discounts
      • Cloud storage for saved games
      • Online multiplayer access
    • There are no changes for existing PlayStation Plus members in this tier
  • Price*: for PlayStation Plus Essential remains the same as the current price for PlayStation Plus.
    • United States
      • $9.99 monthly / $24.99 quarterly / $59.99 yearly
    • Europe
      • €8.99 monthly / €24.99 quarterly / €59.99 yearly
    • United Kingdom
      • £6.99 monthly / £19.99 quarterly / £49.99 yearly
    • Japan
      • ¥850 monthly / ¥2,150 quarterly / ¥5,143 yearly
    • South Korea
      • KRW 7,500 monthly / KRW 18,800 quarterly / KRW 44,900 yearly
    • Hong Kong
      • HK$ 48 monthly / HK$ 128 quarterly / HK$ 308 yearly
    • Taiwan
      • NT$ 198 monthly / NT$ 488 quarterly / NT$ 1,188 yearly
    • Singapore
      • SGD 8.90 monthly / SGD 21.90 quarterly / SGD 53.90 yearly
    • Malaysia
      • MYR 29 monthly / MYR 69 quarterly / MYR 159 yearly
    • NOTE: the rest of Asia countries pricing will follow

PLAYSTATION PLUS EXTRA​

  • Benefits:
    • Provides all the benefits from the Essential tierTwo monthly downloadable games
    • Adds a catalog of up to 400* of the most enjoyable PS4 and PS5 games – including blockbuster hits from our PlayStation Studios catalog and third-party partners. Games in the Extra tier are downloadable for play.
  • Price*:
    • United States
      • $14.99 monthly / $39.99 quarterly / $99.99 yearly
    • Europe
      • €13.99 monthly / €39.99 quarterly / €99.99 yearly
    • United Kingdom
      • £10.99 monthly / £31.99 quarterly / £83.99 yearly
    • Japan
      • ¥1,300 monthly / ¥3,600 quarterly / ¥8,600 yearly
    • South Korea
      • KRW 11,300 monthly / KRW 31,000 quarterly / KRW 75,300 yearly
    • Hong Kong
      • HK$ 75 monthly / HK$ 215 quarterly / HK$ 515 yearly
    • Taiwan
      • NT$ 298 monthly / NT$ 808 quarterly / NT$ 1,988 yearly
    • Singapore
      • SGD 13.90 monthly / SGD 35.90 quarterly / SGD 89.90 yearly
    • Malaysia
      • MYR 44 monthly / MYR 114 quarterly / MYR 269 yearly
    • NOTE: the rest of Asia countries pricing will follow

PLAYSTATION PLUS PREMIUM**​

  • Benefits:
    • Provides all the benefits from Essential and Extra tiers
    • Adds up to 240* additional games, including:
      • PS3 games available via cloud streaming
      • A catalog of beloved classic games available in both streaming and download options from the original PlayStation, PS2 and PSP generations
    • Offers cloud streaming access for original PlayStation, PS2, PSP and PS4 games offered in the Extra and Premium tiers in markets** where PlayStation Now is currently available. Customers can stream games using PS4 and PS5 consoles, and PC.
    • Time-limited game trials will also be offered in this tier, so customers can try select games before they buy.
  • Price*:
    • United States
      • $17.99 monthly / $49.99 quarterly / $119.99 yearly
    • Europe
      • €16.99 monthly / €49.99 quarterly / €119.99 yearly
    • United Kingdom
      • £13.49 monthly / £39.99 quarterly / £99.99 yearly
    • Japan
      • ¥1,550 – monthly / ¥4,300 – quarterly / ¥10,250 yearly
  • PlayStation Plus Deluxe (Select Markets) For markets without cloud streaming, PlayStation Plus Deluxe will be offered at a lower price compared to Premium, and includes a catalog of beloved classic games from the original PlayStation, PS2 and PSP generations to download and play, along with time-limited game trials. Benefits from Essential and Extra tiers are also included. Local pricing will vary by market.
  • Price*:
    • South Korea
      • KRW 12,900 monthly / KRW 35,000 quarterly / KRW 86,500 yearly
    • Hong Kong
      • HK$ 85 monthly / HK$ 239 quarterly / HK$ 599 yearly
    • Taiwan
      • NT$ 338 monthly / NT$ 928 quarterly / NT$ 2,288 yearly
    • Singapore
      • SGD 15.90 monthly / SGD 40.90 quarterly / SGD 103.90 yearly
    • Malaysia
      • MYR 50 monthly / MYR 130 quarterly / MYR 309 yearly
    • NOTE: the rest of Asia countries pricing will follow
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Wonder how much of these are playable on PS4. PS5 is still out of stock in the region and many only have PS4, there is no PS NOW so game streaming is out. I suspect many won't upgrade to the most expensive tier without the game streaming options.
 
got some good insights into the unique users per service
48m ps+
3.2m ps now (2.4m had both)
48.8m unique users
 
Seems to be about what was being reported in terms of combining PS Plus and PS Now. What I really think this service needs though is good marketing to convey to users the benefits of these higher tiers in terms of what each tier does and what games are offered. Sony doesn’t want to do their own day one games that’s fine, but they should try getting third party ones at least to create some buzz for the service. As of now I still think the higher tiers are still not going to appeal to many users unless Sony is willing to invest more into the service.
 
An easy way for Playstation to significantly increase their services revenue. I think many will go for the PS Extra option. PS Premium will only be popular depending on its library of games.

Thought it was noteworthy that Jim Ryan recognises that the platform 30% business model is still far, far bigger. PSN makes $16B+ and that number is growing faster than many other models. Subscriptions can be complementary but should not endanger their hardware and software ecosystem.

Quite similar to Apple, who has their App store while also offering a sub service.

Console gaming is perhaps even more anti-bundled sub when you realise the most popular/played games are all F2P, with battle passes that are in effect are their own subcription service (but with far far more user choice, making it more attractive than a set price system).

I do wonder how MS is going to counter that gaping issue.
 
The pricing is weird. if not unfair:

- Tier #1 is basically similar to Switch' online, except instead of clasisc games you get newer-ish games
- Tier #2 is gives you 400 PS4- and PS5-games for only 99 bucks. Wat. Is there a list of these games? Either these are mostly small, "shitty" games, or it's incredibly cheap if this gives you proper, big PS4- and PS5-games. That's basically GamePass without the day1-releases
- Tier #3 is unfair, locking classic PlayStation-titles behind the most expensive tier when those should be part of the cheapest. Plus PS3-games stream-only is bad.

These tiers don't feel like they're designed to make sense for customers, but for making the most money. Tier #1 not much change to existing PS Now. Tier #2 looking relatively cheap. But from there it's "only" an additional 20 bucks for classic games and that's what they want you to buy.

I don't think there's much wrong with it, but it could have been designed more fair for customers.
 
There's an interview with Jim Ryan available from GamesIndustry.biz...

"We feel like we are in a good virtuous cycle with the studios," explains PlayStation CEO Jim Ryan, "where the investment delivers success, which enables yet more investment, which delivers yet more success. We like that cycle and we think our gamers like that cycle."

He continues: "[In terms of] putting our own games into this service, or any of our services, upon their release... as you well know, this is not a road that we've gone down in the past. And it's not a road that we're going to go down with this new service. We feel if we were to do that with the games that we make at PlayStation Studios, that virtuous cycle will be broken. The level of investment that we need to make in our studios would not be possible, and we think the knock-on effect on the quality of the games that we make would not be something that gamers want."


"The way the world is changing so very quickly at the moment, nothing is forever," he tells us. "Who would have said even four years ago that you would see AAA PlayStation IP being published on PC? We started that last year with Horizon Zero Dawn, then Days Gone, and now God of War -- a hugely polished and accomplished PC version of that game. [We've had] great critical success and great commercial success, and everybody has made their peace with that happening and is completely at ease with it. I look back four years and think nobody would have seen that coming. "So I don't want to cast anything in stone at this stage. All I'm talking to today is the approach we're taking in the short term. The way our publishing model works right now, it doesn't make any sense. But things can change very quickly in this industry, as we all know."
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The bolded bit particularily sticks out to me... It all implies very short-term thinking being dominant and a very reactive strategy being held by Jim and Playstation in general..
 
Tokuiten said:
- Tier #2 is gives you 400 PS4- and PS5-games for only 99 bucks. Wat. Is there a list of these games? Either these are mostly small, "shitty" games, or it's incredibly cheap if this gives you proper, big PS4- and PS5-games. That's basically GamePass without the day1-releases
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I think Current PS Now Games could be a big chunk of Tier 2 Games minus PS3 Streamed games
 
I think the tiers are designed to up-sell to existing PS Plus people more than pull new people in. The third Tier really isn’t attractive but Extra is if you are already a PS Plus member.
 
Tokuiten said:
The pricing is weird. if not unfair:

- Tier #1 is basically similar to Switch' online, except instead of clasisc games you get newer-ish games
- Tier #2 is gives you 400 PS4- and PS5-games for only 99 bucks. Wat. Is there a list of these games? Either these are mostly small, "shitty" games, or it's incredibly cheap if this gives you proper, big PS4- and PS5-games. That's basically GamePass without the day1-releases
- Tier #3 is unfair, locking classic PlayStation-titles behind the most expensive tier when those should be part of the cheapest. Plus PS3-games stream-only is bad.

These tiers don't feel like they're designed to make sense for customers, but for making the most money. Tier #1 not much change to existing PS Now. Tier #2 looking relatively cheap. But from there it's "only" an additional 20 bucks for classic games and that's what they want you to buy.

I don't think there's much wrong with it, but it could have been designed more fair for customers.
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As far as tier 2... the majority of those PS4 games are probably what is already on Now which is how you know this is a marketing ploy with numbers. Without adding any new PS4 games, now has about 400 games on its own. There's no indication more games (aside the 2 monthly plus games) are getting added.

It is literally a PS Now merger that will attract people that never paid attention to PS Now. The real question is if the tiers will get extra games monthly or not.
 
It makes sense to turn it into one multi-tiered subscription service rather than a bunch of separate ones. I hope they're going to report on how many subscribers each tier has, because that's going to be an interesting one imo.
 
mousielilone said:
I think the tiers are designed to up-sell to existing PS Plus people more than pull new people in. The third Tier really isn’t attractive but Extra is if you are already a PS Plus member.
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The thing is Extra is so vague that even as a ps plus member it's not attractive because I know what's on PS NOW and why I don't subscribe. If the numbers they're pushing is those same games then at least initially, there's no reason to upgrade. Not only that but due to the overlap between Now and Plus over the years, regular plus members might have some of those games already in their collection.
 
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I'm priced out of the retro games at its current price and feels odd to put retro so high but have the PS4 and PS5 catalog on the 2nd tier.
 
Playstation:
60/year for 24 PS4-PS5 games to redeem
100/year for additional 300-400 PS4-PS5 games to play while subscribed
120/year for additional >300 PS1-PS2-PSP-PS3 games to play while subscriber, including streaming (PS3 streaming only)

Old games and trials would make Extra a much better deal, Premium should be Extra with streaming. It's not bad tho.

Nintendo:
20/year for 89 NES games and 59 SNES games to play while subscribed
40/year for additional 13 N64 games, 23 Genesis games and AC and MK8 DLCs

Comparing it to the much cheaper NSO, PS+ Extra and Premium offer much more. Actually, it makes NSO Expansion Pack frustrating because I have to wait years to play old games currently unavailable. I would pay 20€ more to get 12/24 eshop games during the year and have instant access to more old games if Nintendo is so scared of people cancelling the sub because they don't have monthly release.
 
Kirby said:
Playstation:
60/year for 24 PS4-PS5 games to redeem
100/year for additional 300-400 PS4-PS5 games to play while subscribed
120/year for additional >300 PS1-PS2-PSP-PS3 games to play while subscriber, including streaming (PS3 streaming only)

Old games and trials would make Extra a much better deal, Premium should be Extra with streaming. It's not bad tho.

Nintendo:
20/year for 89 NES games and 59 SNES games to play while subscribed
40/year for additional 13 N64 games, 23 Genesis games and AC and MK8 DLCs

Comparing it to the much cheaper NSO, PS+ Extra and Premium offer much more. Actually, it makes NSO Expansion Pack frustrating because I have to wait years to play old games currently unavailable. I would pay 20€ more to get 12/24 eshop games during the year and have instant access to more old games if Nintendo is so scared of people cancelling the sub because they don't have monthly release.
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It's too early to say one is a better deal than the other as far as retro. That 300 number is very suspicious when you consider how many PS3 games are already on PS NOW (over 400) For all we know there could only be 30 PS1/PS2/PSP games. Playstation also isn't saying they will add retro games monthly either.
 
Tokuiten said:
The pricing is weird. if not unfair:

- Tier #3 is unfair, locking classic PlayStation-titles behind the most expensive tier when those should be part of the cheapest. Plus PS3-games stream-only is bad
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I find this to be very smart. PS1 games are what me and I believe most people want the most out of this (classics in general, but for me I'm all about PS1), so by locking them to the highest tier I'm forced to pay top dollar, something I absolutely wouldn't have done otherwise, but to play (possibly dozens to hundreds) of PS1 games I'll happily do it. If the classic games were lower tiers, no one would buy the higher ones.
 
Himura Kenshin said:
I find this to be very smart. PS1 games are what me and I believe most people want the most out of this (classics in general, but for me I'm all about PS1), so by locking them to the highest tier I'm forced to pay top dollar, something I absolutely wouldn't have done otherwise, but to play (possibly dozens to hundreds) of PS1 games I'll happily do it. If the classic games were lower tiers, no one would buy the higher ones.
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.... okay. Keep praising that, uh.
 
As others have said this seems like a smart move. Essentially adding some new stuff to PS Now while rebranding it, splitting it in half and making the two parts the two extra tiers of current PS Plus.

Will definitely lead to more growth and upselling of current subscribers, the PS Now brand was tainted.

This isn't competing with game pass, they are fairly different services now, so it should be able to do well on its own.

Personally this isn't that exciting but I may go for the middle tier which seems like great value.
 
Himura Kenshin said:
Yes, on a forum about financials and numbers I'm saying a company made the right move for their financials and numbers. You seem weirdly offended by that.
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A forum abot financials and numbers, looked at by normal consumers for the most part. Not rich investors. I do apologize for calling you out, but as a consumer praising something that goes against the consumers' best interest made me feel a bit uncomfortable while reading it. Bobby Kotick made a lot of great business decisions, but I've never seen anyone give him praise for that, because his decisions weren't necessarily in consumers' interests. That's my view on this. PS1- and PS2-games ought to be in the cheapest tier.
 
Tokuiten said:
I do apologize for calling you out, but as a consumer praising something that goes against the consumers' best interest made me feel a bit uncomfortable while reading it.
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That’s the thing. You shouldn’t feel uncomfortable. I can say Sony locking retro content behind the highest tier is a smart move because they know enthusiasts are the likeliest to shell out for that. At the same time I can say Sony is definitely trying to milk enthusiasts and that’s annoying. It’s all just business.
 
meatbag said:
That’s the thing. You shouldn’t feel uncomfortable. I can say Sony locking retro content behind the highest tier is a smart move because they know enthusiasts are the likeliest to shell out for that. At the same time I can say Sony is definitely trying to milk enthusiasts and that’s annoying. It’s all just business.
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And we can criticize that business (and do it all the time in the weekly MC threads). To make a different example: If BotW 2 was delayed for tactical scheduling reasons, I'd criticize that. If it was delayed for development reasons, I'm fine with it. Either, "it's just business". Doesn't mean we should praise it just because it's good for the company. But I'll leave it at that, I have expressed my opinion on the topic.
 
DCSales said:


Interesting and quite telling quote from Jim Ryan here...
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Hope that rental service won't prevail. Game ownership must prevail.


Ryuichi Naruhodo said:
I think Current PS Now Games could be a big chunk of Tier 2 Games minus PS3 Streamed games
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Kirby said:
100/year for additional 300-400 PS4-PS5 games to play while subscribed
120/year for additional >300 PS1-PS2-PSP-PS3 games to play while subscriber, including streaming (PS3 streaming only)
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Flightlessfancies said:
That 300 number is very suspicious when you consider how many PS3 games are already on PS NOW (over 400) For all we know there could only be 30 PS1/PS2/PSP games. Playstation also isn't saying they will add retro games monthly either.
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There are over 400 PS3 Games on PS Now + over 400 PS4 games + around 20 PS2 games. So, additional PS1, PS2 + PSP games in highest tier can be over a 1000 games. This can help :

All PlayStation Plus Games - PS Plus Guide

Find the best games on Playstation Now to download and stream for PS4, PS3 and PS2.
psnowguide.com psnowguide.com

Flightlessfancies said:
For all we know there could only be 30 PS1/PS2/PSP games. Playstation also isn't saying they will add retro games monthly either.
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There are already 20 PS2 games

There's no indication more games (aside the 2 monthly plus games) are getting added.
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From blog
We’re working closely with our imaginative developers from PlayStation Studios and third-party partners to include some of the best gaming experiences available with a library that will be regularly refreshed. More details to come on the games we’ll have on our new PlayStation Plus service.
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Tokuiten said:
A forum abot financials and numbers, looked at by normal consumers for the most part. Not rich investors. I do apologize for calling you out, but as a consumer praising something that goes against the consumers' best interest made me feel a bit uncomfortable while reading it. Bobby Kotick made a lot of great business decisions, but I've never seen anyone give him praise for that, because his decisions weren't necessarily in consumers' interests. That's my view on this. PS1- and PS2-games ought to be in the cheapest tier.
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A market is a two way system. Focusing just on consumers is anti-worker and as someone who has read a lot of regulatory filings, its always disconcerting when a population acts purely consumerist. It allows the biggest players to take advantage of the workforce and act "pro consumer".

There are externalizations to every business model, social, environmental, political, worker benefits, and a price does not reflect that. Just some food for thought.

More on topic, I think both of you have it wrong. I think Playstation believes the PS4/5 games will be the most popular option, which is why its the easiest to upgrade to, therefore getting high conversion numbers from PS+ to PS+ Extra.

The BC option is for enthusiasts who may be willing to pay extra for such access.
 
did some quick maths, using 20% on the extra plan and a further 20% on the premium plan and the annual plan as the arpu, Sony should be seeing a 16% increase in revenue.

unfortunately its not the best maths cause i can't account for the number of users using annual/quarterly/month or for different currencies well.
 
Salesman said:
There are over 400 PS3 Games on PS Now + over 400 PS4 games + around 20 PS2 games. So, additional PS1, PS2 + PSP games in highest tier can be over a 1000 games. This can help :

All PlayStation Plus Games - PS Plus Guide

Find the best games on Playstation Now to download and stream for PS4, PS3 and PS2.
psnowguide.com psnowguide.com
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The PS3 games are included in the 340 for retro games though. That means some of those PS3 games are getting discontinued.
 
enpleinjour said:
More on topic, I think both of you have it wrong. I think Playstation believes the PS4/5 games will be the most popular option, which is why its the easiest to upgrade to, therefore getting high conversion numbers from PS+ to PS+ Extra.

The BC option is for enthusiasts who may be willing to pay extra for such access.
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Good point. I guess I should have been speaking for myself as the PS4/5 game tier doesn't excite me because I'm the type where if I wanted those games they're quite easy to just go and buy, however most may not be in that position to afford the games they want, even if they are readily available for purchase. Likewise I can't just go and buy PS1 games to play on my PS5, so that's why for me I'm most intrigued by the classics. That tier is introducing something I didn't have access to before. But you're right, as a video game dinosaur I may be in a more minority case there. We'll see in the coming months, and that's if Sony decides to share a breakdown of the subscriptions by tier. Wouldn't surprise me if they didn't though.
 
As a retro enthusiast who would pay for PS classics, locking it at their highest tier eliminates it for me. Guess we’ll find out how it works out, but most retro enthusiasts have other means to play these games. The only bright spot would be if they started selling the classics individually again.

At first glance this is all pretty underwhelming, but we’ll see what games are actually available on the service.
 
MysticGon said:
Are PS1/PS2/PSP downloads locked behind a subscription and PS5 purchase?
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There's no way they would lock them behind a PS5 purchase if the PS4 is capable of emulating them, too much money on the table from existing PS4 PS+ subscribers. Now whether a subscription is mandatory or if the titles can be purchased individually remains to be seen.
 
Tokuiten said:
- Tier #2 is gives you 400 PS4- and PS5-games for only 99 bucks. Wat. Is there a list of these games? Either these are mostly small, "shitty" games, or it's incredibly cheap if this gives you proper, big PS4- and PS5-games. That's basically GamePass without the day1-releases
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This is a list of the games on PS Now.
www.pushsquare.com

All PS Plus Games

All PS5, PS4 games lists for PS Plus Essential, Extra, and Premium
www.pushsquare.com www.pushsquare.com

As the new service offers the "same" number of games for this tier as PSNow I think it is likely tier 2 will be very similar if not identical.
This list contains virtually all first party games and good chunk of high profile third party games.
It is not a bad set of games for that money.

To me it looks like tier 2 is basically PS+ plus a PSNow subset only including the PS4/5 games.
and tier 3 is basically PS+ plus the entire PSNow catalog, i.e. also the PS1/PS2/PS3/PSP games.

They essentially just rebranded PSNow and split into two tiers, one with the PS4/5 games and the other with all games.
The library is strong.
 
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Himura Kenshin said:
There's no way they would lock them behind a PS5 purchase if the PS4 is capable of emulating them, too much money on the table from existing PS4 PS+ subscribers. Now whether a subscription is mandatory or if the titles can be purchased individually remains to be seen.
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awng782 said:
They're locked behind the most expensive tier, but you can play them on PS4.
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Thanks, well that's a pity.

Recurring revenue is sexier to corporations than sales sadly. Less work once they have the customer hooked with that sunk cost fallacy.
 
Have we gotten clarification on what this means for the PS Plus Collection? Will this still be available for PS5 owners subscribed to PS Plus Essential or is it going to be done away with and rolled into PS Plus Extra? As someone who just jumped into the ecosystem with PS5 I've been enjoying filling in the gaps between major releases with games from the PS Plus collection, and would be really disappointed if that gets taken away as part of the revamp.
 
The magic on Gamepass is the day 1 first party titles.

If Sony isn’t offering that, I don’t think their subscription services will drive more HW sales. Its a cool add yes, but for already PS5 users.
 
enpleinjour said:
A market is a two way system. Focusing just on consumers is anti-worker and as someone who has read a lot of regulatory filings, its always disconcerting when a population acts purely consumerist. It allows the biggest players to take advantage of the workforce and act "pro consumer".
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Indeed. I’m sorry @Tokuiten but we are allowed to comment on business strategies from a company/worker perspective. Especially as we are in a sales forum.
enpleinjour said:
More on topic, I think both of you have it wrong. I think Playstation believes the PS4/5 games will be the most popular option, which is why its the easiest to upgrade to, therefore getting high conversion numbers from PS+ to PS+ Extra.

The BC option is for enthusiasts who may be willing to pay extra for such access.
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Yeah what I meant is that Sony will be trying to milk a few more dollars from the hardcore enthusiasts. Definitely the bulk of their revenue will be from the lower tier.
 
I mean, Jim Ryan said so in the Game Industry article. The premium tier is not for everyone.

The Premium option is more of a specialist tier. And one of its big draws is the collection of retro games.

"Obviously, it's not for everybody, which is why it is in the Premium tier," Ryan says. "But there are people like me who have been around forever, who have played those games and loved those games 20-odd years ago. Or maybe it's people whose parents rave on about these games and want to try them for themselves. Once we can share the line-up with the world, we think there's going to be a lot of interest in that."
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Also worth noting:

"But there are people like me who have been around forever, who have played those games and loved those games 20-odd years ago. Or maybe it's people whose parents rave on about these games and want to try them for themselves. Once we can share the line-up with the world, we think there's going to be a lot of interest in that."

Seems like the lineup is going to be notably different to Now's. Having a separate event to show the lineup is daring, as it puts more pressure on the collection being really good, but may also show Playstation are confident in the new lineup.
 
Jim Ryan is clearly referring to the classic games lineup in that quote. You can't extrapolate to the Extra tier of games on how it's changing from Now from that quote, only the additional games in the Premium/Extra+ tiers. That we could easily assume given they are including many more platforms than there are on the service already. You also have to be careful of managing your expectations since Jim Ryan is oozing with PR Spin. I'm not expecting much more than 10-15 PS1 or PSP games at the service's launch.
 
I just wish PS+ offered family subscriptions a-la Nintendo Online. I mean, I paid 80% less for the NSO expansion just by getting 7 other friends and buying the family plan together. If I could get the highest tier of PS+ for only $24 I'd subscribe on an instant, but so far it's too steep of a price.
 
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