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NPD: Switch is 1.1M behind PS2, PS5 +7% vs PS4 Aligned, and Xbox Series "holding close" with Xbox 360 and passed the original Xbox LTD (NEW LTD's!)

fiendcode said:
Respectable hardware for PSP but also a bit low for how PS does regionally in the US.

Crazy though that Vita then went on to do, what, 2-4m US?
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US was 25% of PSP hardware sales.

That's the lowest share of all Sony systems beside PS Vita.

For others systems from PS1 to PS4 they are all very close for the US share:

PS1: 30%
PS2: 29%
PS3: 31%
PS4: 30%

PS5 US sales have to be somewhere between 33%~35% of the current 65M LTD.
This is reccord high share.
 
Astral_lion02 said:
US was 25% of PSP hardware sales.

That's the lowest share of all Sony systems beside PS Vita.

For others systems from PS1 to PS4 they are all very close for the US share:

PS1: 30%
PS2: 29%
PS3: 31%
PS4: 30%

PS5 US sales have to be somewhere between 33%~35% of the current 65M LTD.
This is reccord high share.
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What's the regional breakdown for the remaining two-thirds? Is it an even split between Europe and Japan?
 
StardustTraveler said:
What's the regional breakdown for the remaining two-thirds? Is it an even split between Europe and Japan?
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PSP sold exactly same in Japan and USA.

Media Create have 20.2M for the system in Japan so that's also 25% for Japan.
Technicly beside the special case of PS Vita that's the Sony system with the highest Japan share.

For others systems beside handhelds in Japan based on Media Create data it's:

PS1: 17%
PS2: 14%
PS3: 12%
PS4: 8%

And PS5 is currently at ~9% using Famitsu.

For Europe we don't have overall numbers.
Technicly 50% of PSP sales were outside of Japan and US but that include a lot's of non european markets like Canada or South Korea for exemple.
 
Switch will pass PS2 by the end of the holidays in the US

There’s only Europe left really. Going back to the Switch reveal thread from time to time is quite hilarious
 
Fularu said:
Switch will pass PS2 by the end of the holidays in the US

There’s only Europe left really. Going back to the Switch reveal thread from time to time is quite hilarious
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There is also other markets (ie not US, Europe, Japan) which is surely where the biggest difference lies. I don't know PS2 total in Europe but going by the chart @Evilms posted* some time ago, PS2 must have had pretty large sales outside of the typical markets to reach its total 160M sales.

In the end, Switch will probably be ahead in Americas and obviously Japan, it will not be that far in Europe (maybe <5M, potentially closer depending on how high PS2 actually is and how much more Switch sells) and it will be behind more significantly in the rest of the world (regardless of whether it ends ahead or not of PS2).

*see here: https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...nal-xbox-ltd-new-ltds.2895/page-2#post-267948
 
Does it really need to pass PS2 as Switch is a “pure” gaming console and not a console that has multimedia features (DVD player) and has several price cuts to get where it is?
 
Brazilian77 said:
There is also other markets (ie not US, Europe, Japan) which is surely where the biggest difference lies. I don't know PS2 total in Europe but going by the chart @Evilms posted* some time ago, PS2 must have had pretty large sales outside of the typical markets to reach its total 160M sales.

In the end, Switch will probably be ahead in Americas and obviously Japan, it will not be that far in Europe (maybe <5M, potentially closer depending on how high PS2 actually is and how much more Switch sells) and it will be behind more significantly in the rest of the world (regardless of whether it ends ahead or not of PS2).

*see here: https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...nal-xbox-ltd-new-ltds.2895/page-2#post-267948
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The last figures sales known of PS2 in europe was 48 million (as of may 2008).
I don't be surprised if she has sold at least at 55 million on this market at the end.

Reeves also said 12 million PSP handhelds and 48 million PS2s have been sold in Europe. He added, "These numbers are a testament to the strength of the PlayStation brand throughout our region, the ever-increasing number of titles being launched, the rich content on offer and its appeal to different demographics and cultures."
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PS3 has outsold Xbox 360 in Europe

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Evilms said:
The last figures sales known of PS2 in europe was 48 million (as of may 2008).
I don't be surprised if she has sold at least at 55 million on this market at the end.



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PS3 has outsold Xbox 360 in Europe

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But then there is a clear contradiction to the numbers from your chart. There PS2 installed base is 90M in US+EU at 2012 and with PS2 reaching 46.5M in US eventually there is no shot looking at the values in the table and the chart trend that PS2 reached 48M in Europe at any point. The only explanation is that, in the chart, Europe is not actually Europe (as in, it is only a certain subset of markets from Europe).

There is another contradiction with this 48M number by 2008 of PS2: @Astral_lion02 sometime ago came with a source directly from Nintendo where 40M DS had been reached in Europe in less than 5 years (I guess sometime in 2010, if my memory is still good). If I recall correctly, it was also stated that DS was the best selling console in Europe and @Astral_lion02 used that article to imply that VGChartz numbers from Europe had to be completely wrong (your estimate above of 55M would mean VGChartz is not that far off). Again this might be explained by different definitions of what constitutes Europe but in this case it is a little stranger.
 
Brazilian77 said:
But then there is a clear contradiction to the numbers from your chart. There PS2 installed base is 90M in US+EU at 2012 and with PS2 reaching 46.5M in US eventually there is no shot looking at the values in the table and the chart trend that PS2 reached 48M in Europe at any point. The only explanation is that, in the chart, Europe is not actually Europe (as in, it is only a certain subset of markets from Europe).

There is another contradiction with this 48M number by 2008 of PS2: @Astral_lion02 sometime ago came with a source directly from Nintendo where 40M DS had been reached in Europe in less than 5 years (I guess sometime in 2010, if my memory is still good). If I recall correctly, it was also stated that DS was the best selling console in Europe and @Astral_lion02 used that article to imply that VGChartz numbers from Europe had to be completely wrong (your estimate above of 55M would mean VGChartz is not that far off). Again this might be explained by different definitions of what constitutes Europe but in this case it is a little stranger.
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PS2 european numbers from SCEE are not really "Europe" but all PAL markets.
That's something they always do when they give regional numbers (exemple here with PS2 cumulative production shipments).

Talking strickly about Europe, Nintendo released this chart in October 2008:

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They estimated PS2 at 32M back then in Europe.
 
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Astral_lion02 said:
PS2 european numbers from SCEE are not really "Europe" but all PAL markets.
That's something they always do when they give regional numbers (exemple here with PS2 cumulative production shipments).

Talking strickly about Europe, Nintendo released this chart in October 2008:

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They estimated PS2 at 32M back then in Europe.
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Thanks that was in line with what I was expecting. Out of curiosity, by Europe you understand the standard geographical definition for which countries constitute Europe and not something like the European Union right? Also, please tell me on what constitutes the set of PAL markets? I tried to google but could not find reliable information

Edit: Found a wiki article describing what constitutes the PAL region (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL). It is clearly way bigger than Europe and explains the discrepancies reported
 
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Brazilian77 said:
Thanks that was in line with what I was expecting. Out of curiosity, by Europe you understand the standard geographical definition for which countries constitute Europe and not something like the European Union right? Also, please tell me on what constitutes the set of PAL markets? I tried to google but could not find reliable information

Edit: Found a wiki article describing what constitutes the PAL region (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL). It is clearly way bigger than Europe and explains the discrepancies reported
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In the video game context PAL markets is used to refert that all territories that used the PAL or the SECAM TV encoding systems (mainly by opposition to Japan and North America who used NTSC).

So yes it's large (that wikipedia article give a good idea of how large it is).

That distinction make sens mostly for past system (basicly non-HD consoles) because they needed to adapt games to the TV encoding systems of each region.
 
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We get so little data from Europe as a whole that it's usually hard to determine total sales. Also we don't know if Switch is even going to pass PS4 in Europe. Last time we got some data was from the end of 2020. Since then we know that in France it has passed PS4 but also the gap was smallest there.
 
KillerMan said:
We get so little data from Europe as a whole that it's usually hard to determine total sales. Also we don't know if Switch is even going to pass PS4 in Europe. Last time we got some data was from the end of 2020. Since then we know that in France it has passed PS4 but also the gap was smallest there.
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What we can determine is that NSW will not finish that far behind from PS4 on Europe + Other (as per Nintendo's own definition of shipments). I recall someone posted a chart showing PS4 at roughly 38M at NA and with around 9.5M from Japan we can be sure of less than 70M (close to 69.5M) on Europe+Other+(Americas-NA). NSW is actually at 54.31M at Europe+Other alone as of September 2024 and it is likely to get close to 60M by the end of its life. When you include (Americas-NA), it should be clear that PS4 can't be significantly ahead in both.

Also from the table @Evilms posted, I wouldn't be sure PS2 sold much better than PS4 in Europe. If PS2 install base is not much larger than 90M in US+Europe as per the charts from @Evilms adding Japan, you are surely below 120M, which means above 40M from non US,Europe,Japan markets which is really large and probably much larger than any other console ever.
 
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