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I am expecting to see quite a number of these logos over the coming months 
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Nintendo Switch 2 - All official announcements (hardware, software, features, accessories)
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I'd say at least 3 with The Outer Worlds 2, CoD and Ninja Gaiden 4. But it could easily be more if they announced some already released games, DOOM the Dark Ages will still be quite hot and the launch of the system is right next to the event...
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Marvelous' Rune Factory is also all on the card.
Hi Guys, don’t know if this is the best place to ask.
My siblings and I have a very convoluted setup with Switch 1 whereby we all have each others accounts on our own Switches so we can all play each others purchased games. All our games are digital.
With the whole game share, lending and virtual game cards etc for Switch 2, are we still going to be able to access other accounts on our own Switch 2s and play?
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My siblings and I have a very convoluted setup with Switch 1 whereby we all have each others accounts on our own Switches so we can all play each others purchased games. All our games are digital.
With the whole game share, lending and virtual game cards etc for Switch 2, are we still going to be able to access other accounts on our own Switch 2s and play?
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You'll be able to test the setup on Switch 1 once the late April update drops.
When they announced virtual game cards in the Switch Direct they said it was an optional feature and you can use the existing setup. I assume that holds true for Switch 2 as well.
I believe it is the other way around, there is a small notice at the end of the trailer that says that in the user settings, you can opt-in to internet-activated licenses instead, which would be how it currently works when the system isn't set as primary for the user.
The fact that there is a setting is proof it's an optional feature. Whether it's activated by default or not doesn't change that.
Honestly, I don't think it'll be activated by default except on brand new systems. Don't see Nintendo messing with people's settings/accounts.
Honestly, I don't think it'll be activated by default except on brand new systems. Don't see Nintendo messing with people's settings/accounts.
Thanks for the responses. We will wait and see what the update brings then.
It saves each of us a lot of money this way as Sister A for example buys Xeno X, I buy P5R, Brother buys Mon Hun, Sister B buys Mario Kart etc.
And we and all our kids are able to access all games as there is low likelihood that people are playing the same games all the time. I reckon we have about 50+ games between us.
It saves each of us a lot of money this way as Sister A for example buys Xeno X, I buy P5R, Brother buys Mon Hun, Sister B buys Mario Kart etc.
And we and all our kids are able to access all games as there is low likelihood that people are playing the same games all the time. I reckon we have about 50+ games between us.
I think you should be safe: probably the actual system will still be there ando/or in addition, even if for example your sister will have their own account only on her console, you should be able to land her the digital card game anyway
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Are you all in a family plan? If so, then even if the current arrangement is somehow cancelled, it is my impression you should still be fine, you will just have to "lend" each other your games.
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I feel like Doom the Dark Ages along with any other late ports of an already release game, would be better save as either a PR release any other day or put into a Nintendo direct rather then being shown off in an Xbox showcase.
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Sure, I also think there's a secondary moment to announce Psychonauts 2, Hi-Fi Rush etc., I just think Doom is in that in-between position where they might want to announce expansions and it's still fresh in people's mind, if they offered cross-progression I could see a lot of people doing a second run on Switch 2 given it supports mouse controls.
Nintendo has updated the Switch games compatibility page:
April 16th:
They updated the first category, which is now for games that either have no issues, or have an update planned to fix them. Used JP page because while the US page WAS updated, they didn't update the graph itself.
April 1st:
Next update will be in May.
Fitness Boxing is first game with issues confirmed to get a patch to ensure compatibility.
April 16th:
They updated the first category, which is now for games that either have no issues, or have an update planned to fix them. Used JP page because while the US page WAS updated, they didn't update the graph itself.
April 1st:
Next update will be in May.
Fitness Boxing is first game with issues confirmed to get a patch to ensure compatibility.
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25% of the third party library being already adressed one month and a half from launch is a lot, I'm sure by the May update something like 40/60% will be confirmed to be part of the fully compatible titles, and by launch it will be something between 70/80%. It might sound like a lot of games are left out with those percentages, but I would expect Nintendo to prioritize the most purchased/owned games, thus leading to the games left out being the lower quality/straight up store garbage that has flooded e-Shop over the years.
I eventually cancelled my pre-order of the Switch 2. After consideration, I don't think I want to pay this price.
I am a big consumer and if I buy this thing, it will further entice Nintendo to price those who can't afford to spend as much money on video games as I out.
By refusing to biy this thing at launch, I am helping bot these people and myself, because the assumption is that my behavior will drive the price down.
I am a big consumer and if I buy this thing, it will further entice Nintendo to price those who can't afford to spend as much money on video games as I out.
By refusing to biy this thing at launch, I am helping bot these people and myself, because the assumption is that my behavior will drive the price down.
Tariffs means there is no chance any console will get lower price. The only thing to hope for is them not increasing the price.
Well, the thing is Nintendo sells the Switch for 280 EUR in Japan (320 EUR if you prefer adding the VAT).
If they can do so in Japan, why not do so in the rest of the world? It might sound like a naive question but I do wonder what the answer is.
They're taking a massive hit in Japan. They're doing so because if the Switch 2 was priced like the PS5 in Japan it would lead to a massive market collapse and a lot of Japanese publishers/developers would likely not survive the next few years.
In terms of Japanese purchasing power the Switch 2 is still very expensive, as relatively expensive as it is elsewhere.
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You'd have to region-lock the console, for one. That's the trade-off for a cheaper console. Region-locking I presume is a bigger issue in the West than in Japan since there's a lot more people that speak English, for example.
But secondly, I'm not sure how region-locking works, but it doesnt make producing the hardware any less expensive. Nintendo almost never sells consoles at a loss, but they almost certainly will in Japan. In Japan it's very much worth it because it allows Nintendo to maintain it's extremely dominant position in it's home market and even a 33% drop in shipped units is over 20 million. I'm not sure Europe, a place where Nintendo has historically not been strong, would be all that worth it.
That's just my opinion though.
Good decision, if you dont feel its worth the asking price.
I will disagree on claiming that you need to be able to afford a new system Day 1, to be able to enjoy or participate with Gaming as a hobby.
Even just limited to Nintendo, the Switch is still being supported and games like Pokemon ZA, Prime 4, Silksong, Hades 2, Layton etc. are still releasing this year.
You are pretty much expecting Nintendo to sell a device for less than what the Switch was inflation adjusted, despite being more expensive to produce.
The Yen tanked and they are not gonna sacrifice their home market and charge twice as much as the did for the OLED for a Switch 2.
Where is that documented?
Japan bans unfair pricing that could harm competitors: https://www.jftc.go.jp/en/legislation_gls/imonopoly_guidelines_files/unjustlowprice.pdf
If Nintendo have indeed retailed their console below cost, then a watchdog could confront them over it, and ask them to raise the price.
And we have a competitor in Japan which has high prices in place.
The key is in the link you provided
Preserving a market in Japan and keeping other businesses afloat would probably be considered justifiable grounds.
....and FWIW PlayStation 5 is still sold below cost worldwide, and plenty of other systems have been sold below cost in Japan in the past without it ever being an issue.
it's perfectly fine to not buy something, day1, if the price is not worth it in the eye of the consumer
my opinion on the Switch2 price, as an hardware, is that for what it seems to be, hardware-wise, and looking at the competition (OLED at 349, PS5 at 499, and so on) the price they ask for is fair, for an hardware that seems to be able to provide "PS4 Pro/Series S" like experience and that, consequently, I expect will be able to provide a good stream of games and software for the next 6/8 years in a form factor that it really fits my playing behaviours
that said, software prices seems TOO HIGH to me, in this very moment and I hope the flexibility they are already showing (with games going from 49 bucks up to 90 bucks depending on many factors) will laverage towards the lower end of the bar, more than toward the higher one
my opinion on the Switch2 price, as an hardware, is that for what it seems to be, hardware-wise, and looking at the competition (OLED at 349, PS5 at 499, and so on) the price they ask for is fair, for an hardware that seems to be able to provide "PS4 Pro/Series S" like experience and that, consequently, I expect will be able to provide a good stream of games and software for the next 6/8 years in a form factor that it really fits my playing behaviours
that said, software prices seems TOO HIGH to me, in this very moment and I hope the flexibility they are already showing (with games going from 49 bucks up to 90 bucks depending on many factors) will laverage towards the lower end of the bar, more than toward the higher one
Japan/Europe/US all got a similar price increase between Switch 1 and Switch 2 (+50%).
Edit: Europe is actually the lowest increase (+42%), even less once you take the MK bundle (+27.5%).
Japan is not favored, and converting yen to euro is very misleading. Their 50.000Y will feel the same as the 450€ you can have the console in Europe in terms of purchasing power.
As for pricing people out, I'd recommend reading Oscar article on the question.
Comprendre le prix de la Switch 2 et ses jeux – Ludostrie
Pourquoi la Switch 2 et ses jeux coûtent aussi cher ? Contextualisation, avec données et graphiques à l'appui, et explications.
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Switch 2 is more affordable than the PS4 was at launch.
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This is just a generic anti monopoly law similar to other laws found pretty much anywhere in the world , what’s considered an excessive low price and justified grounds is something up to the jurisprudence of Japanese courts and far beyond the scope of knowledge of this forum plus the need of such prices to have the goal of monopolizing the market. I just want to say in any case this would be similar to the printer business and similar practices of having a product sold at a lose or low margins to attract customers to options with higher margins , that’s completely legal in Japan and everywhere in the world.
The reason to only do it in Japan are irrelevant btw for anti monopolistic behavior in the Japanese market
Switch 2 in Japan is sold at 49,980 yen which is their rough equivalent of 500 euros (or dollars) in purchasing power and I argue the Japanese consumers have it a little worse by getting a console locked to a single language, even if it's meant to deter foreigners (especially the scalpers) from taking advantage of the low value of the yen currency. Nintendo clearly doesn't want a situation similar to the PS5.
Anyway, you can't have a weak yen and things going smoothly both ways, one side will suffer at certain cases just like the other.
But the purchase power parity, or relative increase in pricing across regions, is not the topic at hand.Japan/Europe/US all got a similar price increase between Switch 1 and Switch 2 (+50%).
Edit: Europe is actually the lowest increase (+42%), even less once you take the MK bundle (+27.5%).
Japan is not favored, and converting yen to euro is very misleading. Their 50.000Y will feel the same as the 450€ you can have the console in Europe in terms of purchasing power.
As for pricing people out, I'd recommend reading Oscar article on the question.
Comprendre le prix de la Switch 2 et ses jeux – Ludostrie
Pourquoi la Switch 2 et ses jeux coûtent aussi cher ? Contextualisation, avec données et graphiques à l'appui, et explications.
Switch 2 is more affordable than the PS4 was at launch.
If Nintendo can slap a 49,980 ¥ price tag that is deemed fair on an item in Japan, why can't it slap the same price on the same item in the rest of the world?
Why can't I have a 310 EUR Switch in Europe? Unless I am missing something obvious in the price structure such as difference in import tariffs between regions, then I don't see why I should pay more than a japanese person for the same service.
Its a hard situation, Nintendo could either do what Sony did and match the yen price according to the yen value conversion to the dollar, but that would mean Nintendo goes from selling 35 million Switch 1 units in Japan to something more like 10-15 million Switch 2 units. That sort of collapsing sales is not something a company that needs a big install base WW for their console could easily stomach.
Remember, Japanese get paid in yen, just because the yen is weak against the dollar doesn't mean that Japanese people in general would in any way be able to afford a Switch 2 that cost up to 80k yen. It would be like trying to sell the Switch 2 for 700-800$ to Americans in terms of how much that price would impact sales in Japan.
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You are basically arguing against any form of regional pricing. Why are people buying Elden Ring at 60€ in Europe when it is available at 30€ for customers from Kazakhstan?
Do you think it is unfair? Should Nintendo simply apply the $ to ¥ conversion rate and offer a Switch 2 at double the price of the Switch 1 there? What would happen to many JP publishers if the Switch 2 struggles in Japan?
You are arguing in both instances that the logicial conclusion of my complain is to raise the price in Japan while I argue that the contrary should happen.
Price parity with Japan must happen in the rest of the world. Not the other way around.
Regarding regional prices practicies, I don't think these apply to this specific case. The price in Japan gives us a baseline for the BoM of the console. Nintendo sells it very likely for a profit there.
So the console costs less than 320 EUR to produce, assemble and ship from China/Vietnam.
And we don't have worse trade agreements in Europe with these countries.
Bold: What is that based on? Hopefully not just more naivety
I sincerely don't get why you are coming from, with all of this
- economical theories (never apply in human history, basically, fro any kind of product)
- cost assumption (based on whatsoever)
apart probably your persona percived value
as I said before, personally it is totally fine to look at a product and think it's not worth the money a company is asking you for it
but I'd really avoid to push for anything other than that
Do you think Switch 2 is substantially cheaper to produce than the Steam Deck considering the components in each?
The lowest end model is $399, which Gabe Newell said was a painful price point for them. In Japan that model costs ~60k Yen or 10k more than the Japanese Switch 2.
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Split Fiction Nintendo Switch 2 Features
Learn about GameShare and GameChat in Split Fiction.
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Split Fiction is the first 3rd party game to offer GameShare, and it works with both Switch 2 and Switch.
The only two countries that matter in the gaming industry are Japan and the US. These countries provide all the developers that make us interested in the console industry and so it’s pivotal that a company does well. Xbox shows what happens when you don’t do well in Japan and are easily 3rd in US. Playstation for all the talk about it “dying” in Japan still has Japan as the number 2 market for EVERY single PlayStation ever made and Nintendo is even more obvious.
We’ve also seen what happens in Japan reverberates in East Asia. It’s also obviously as your aware their home territory that is suffering from the weak yen since 2022.
This is the cold hard truth. As a Portuguese I shouldn’t feel entitled to “deserve” to pay €311 when we’re just consumers and don’t do anything to help Nintendo’s business apart from that. Nintendo also thinks this way evidently.
I can already tell you that it is not true. BOM alone is above that.
How do you know that? That's big news for sure especially since we don't know about the SoC details yet. We have a ballpark estimate, yes, but no teardown was done yet.
Wanted to comment on price spike for certain games after today's Direct
I expect that only Nintendo's biggest franchises will have this price point (Mario Kart, 3D Mario, 2D Mario, Smash, Animal Crossing, Zelda, Splatoon). With this price point I expect the commitment to be:
We will see with the next game thats revealed at this price point but I expect Smash, Animal Crossing or Splatoon to be launching next year! Zelda I think we would need to wait for until 2028 which would be around the time of Switch 2's peak
In the end the success of the Switch 2 is definitely at the hands of Nintendo's biggest investments in terms of dev time + marketing. These titles drive adoption and Mario Kart out of the gate gives Switch 2 great momentum.
Mario Kart is a system seller and I don't doubt with the bundle it would have absurd attach rate in the end of the year
With future updates its likely another game that will reach 50M+ units at the new price point while selling paid online and having a real social aspect that MK8D severally lacked which will do wonders for its WoM
I expect that only Nintendo's biggest franchises will have this price point (Mario Kart, 3D Mario, 2D Mario, Smash, Animal Crossing, Zelda, Splatoon). With this price point I expect the commitment to be:
- Long Term Support or Expansions
- Greatest Dev + Marketing Budgets
- Community (Zelda App, Splatoon App, MK App etc.) and Chat Integration
We will see with the next game thats revealed at this price point but I expect Smash, Animal Crossing or Splatoon to be launching next year! Zelda I think we would need to wait for until 2028 which would be around the time of Switch 2's peak
In the end the success of the Switch 2 is definitely at the hands of Nintendo's biggest investments in terms of dev time + marketing. These titles drive adoption and Mario Kart out of the gate gives Switch 2 great momentum.
Mario Kart is a system seller and I don't doubt with the bundle it would have absurd attach rate in the end of the year
With future updates its likely another game that will reach 50M+ units at the new price point while selling paid online and having a real social aspect that MK8D severally lacked which will do wonders for its WoM
It was widely shared in private circles, based on custom data.
Switch's original BOM was 257$ btw
予想を超える推定原価、任天堂の本気モードがSwitchオン！
2017年3月3日、任天堂が新型ゲーム機「Nintendo Switch」を発売した。一新された形状、先進的な電源環境、将来の拡張性など、多くの魅力と可能性を秘めた意欲作だ。著者と付き合いのある部品メーカーは、2018年までの累計販売台数をおよそ3000万台と予想する。今回はこのSwitchの中身を紹介する。
BoM estimations are shared a lot many times, but they're still estimations, as you can't actually know for sure the cost of different components without knowing the actual contracts between suppliers, and there are many moving parts involved (that is, not everything is single-sourced with one contract).It was widely shared in private circles, based on custom data.
Switch's original BOM was 257$ btw
予想を超える推定原価、任天堂の本気モードがSwitchオン！
2017年3月3日、任天堂が新型ゲーム機「Nintendo Switch」を発売した。一新された形状、先進的な電源環境、将来の拡張性など、多くの魅力と可能性を秘めた意欲作だ。著者と付き合いのある部品メーカーは、2018年までの累計販売台数をおよそ3000万台と予想する。今回はこのSwitchの中身を紹介する。xtech.nikkei.com
But aside from that, BoM estimations aren't the actual cost to the company. There are various other costs involved with bringing a product to the market, so a company isn't making off of products anything like what such estimations might imply.
