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Nintendo FY3/2023 Q4 Earnings Release, Switch Hardware Q4 - 3.06M units (-25.55% YoY), 125.62M units LTD
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I'm always surprised by the wii tie ratio. It certainly goes against a lot of preconceived ideas...
Well doesn't the Wii get a bit of a leg up from Wii Sports pack ins?
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- Fire Emblem Engage.
- Metroid Prime Remastered
- Kirby's Return to Dream Land Deluxe
- Pokémon Escarlata y Púrpura
- Splatoon 3
- Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
- Animal Crossing: New Horizon
- Xenoblade Chronicles 3
- Kirby y la Tierra Olvidada
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could you tell me what's your exact sales number for Other M and what's the source? We recently had the game's sales come up in MC-threads and there was no exact number for its LTD sales. You seem to have something, though. Thx
Wii Sports alone can't make tie ratio that high. Besides, the Wii isn't the only system that employed bundling.
Though it's probably true that the Switch specifically had less bundling that a lot of prior home consoles. Lack of digital only games being included probably hurts it more though.
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It absolutely does. For example look at Prime Remastered, imagine if they just released it digital & still sold the same. That’s a mil right there not accounted for.
Without Wii Sports the Wii's attach ratio would be 8.255, just slightly higher than the Switch's current 8.248. It makes quite a difference.
For the Switch? Yes. But A: why are we discounting every single copy of Wii Sports while B: not doing it for other bundled software?
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Wii Sports wasn't bundled in Japan and would no doubt have sold huge numbers even if it wasn't bundled elsewhere. It was a phenomenon and the reason a lot of people bought the system. I don't think it's fair to fully exclude it from the Wii tie ratio.
I think it's fair to argue bundles inflated Wii Sports. But you can't prove how much, and since the Switch is clearly on pace to surpass the GameCube tie ratio (which also had various games bundled throughout it's life) it seems like a pretty trivial thing to argue over. I'm sure if you count digital only games Switch is 1st anyway.
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Yeah there is no doubt it has inflated the total, but we'll never know by how much and it's not unique to the Wii. The NES, SNES, GB ratios would also have been boosted heavily by bundles too. The fact the Switch has achieved this ratio with minimal bundling really shows how impressive it has been (and as you say how trivial the bundle point will become)
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The software tie ratio is now 8.25
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Don't bother, I checked all of their sub-million numbers from their graphs and they're all VGChartz - so disregard them, they are estimates at best.
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Is VGChartz allowed on IB @Lelouch0612 ? If these graphs really used chartz-numbers, that's kinda misleading.
I just checked and vgchartz has Other M at over 1M.
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Must've changed their number since last I updated my spreadsheet of sub-million sellers from there then - but that number is definitely wrong, Nintendo reports all million sellers (besides digital-only ones, and iffy ones where combined across multiple different publishers it reached a million like the Warriors game collaborations with KT) to the CESA; and Other M has never made an appearance in that list.
I know it's wrong. Their software estimates were so wrong that they stopped making them.
Hey,
Since we don't have any worldwide number for Metroid: Other M, I combined the numbers that I could find online :
US (NPD) - 349k
JP (Famitsu via GDL) - 75k
EU & others (VGChartz) - 380k
=> approx 800k
If anyone has a better source for EU, I'm really interested.
There's a reason ioi and his subsequent site were censored back in the day. Made up numbers are not a good substitute for no numbers.
Not if you include Mario World GBA.
Cheeky but true. Good observation, actually.Not if you include Mario World GBA.
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Top 100 Nintendo published games
Updated Software as of 31st March 2023, Switch games colored purple
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This graphic establishing that BOTW will, eventually, outsell Red/Green/Blue.... man. We live in wild timesTop 100 Nintendo published games
Updated Software as of 31st March 2023, Switch games colored purple
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It already has with the Wii U version!
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If you add the Wii U version, it's already done it - 31.51m.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if - in the end - the Top 6 on that list contains only 1 non-Switch game (Wii Sports); with Smash Ultimate, BOTW and TOTK all potentially overtaking Super Mario Bros. imo.
I would love to see a version of that list that combines sales from multiple platforms.
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Gimme like an hour or two, and I can whip one up.
Top 100 Nintendo published games
Updated Software as of 31st March 2023, Switch games colored purple
I dont believe in combining alot of games (ex MK8 and MK8D and OoT/OoT3D) but I think the only exception in your chart should be LoZ TP and BotW.
Since those 2 specific games are actually released date and date with each other other than being sku difference
Edit: TP should go from #78 to #69 and BotW would go from #12 to #7
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TP would be the same as #67.
Yeah, I think combing the 2 is perfectly fine as it's the same game just with a separate sku. It's not the same as WW and WWHD for example. TPHD shouldn't be included with the OG game is another example
Yeah, if there are differences in content, it shouldn't be combined.
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Technically Twilight Princess only released on both systems day and date in Japan in December. They were released a month apart in the US (with TP Wii in the US being the first ever release of the game on any region or console in November), but that might be splitting hairs lol
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While, I do agree that combining titles isn't best practice - it is still interesting to see what the top 100 looks like when you do combine titles (and this has a lot of combining):
This combines different platform versions, Pokémon third/fourth versions, adds compilations to their original titles (see the various Mario platformers), and all remasters/remakes. Purple indicates "has a Switch version, which is counted" and Red indicates Switch exclusives - the asterisks indicate platforms where sales aren't known, so aren't included in the total. I've also counted DKL2 as an adaptation of DKC2 (whereas DKL1 is defo a unique game, and DKC3 and DKL3 combined are still too low to be on this list) and added New Super Luigi U sales to NSMBU rather than listed it separately.
Oh, and if you take out the two Mario All-Stars compilations due to being counted both individually and as part of the totals of their original titles, then positions #99 and #100 go to Kirby's Dream Land and Super Mario Bros. Deluxe (or Star Fox 64 / Lylat Wars if you also cut SMB DX for being a compilation as well) respectively.
In terms of which sets of combined titles I think should be combined even in the normal list:
- BOTW and OG TP definitely
- a bunch of the NES/GB crossplat titles like Mario & Yoshi, Tetris, Golf
- direct ports with only minor alterations probably could also be combined so things like Tropical Freeze, NSMBUDX, the DKC portable versions (not the DKL titles), Super Mario All Stars (as in the SNES and Wii releases, not the individual games it remakes) and the various GBA ports of NES games (at least the ones we have data for).
This combines different platform versions, Pokémon third/fourth versions, adds compilations to their original titles (see the various Mario platformers), and all remasters/remakes. Purple indicates "has a Switch version, which is counted" and Red indicates Switch exclusives - the asterisks indicate platforms where sales aren't known, so aren't included in the total. I've also counted DKL2 as an adaptation of DKC2 (whereas DKL1 is defo a unique game, and DKC3 and DKL3 combined are still too low to be on this list) and added New Super Luigi U sales to NSMBU rather than listed it separately.
Oh, and if you take out the two Mario All-Stars compilations due to being counted both individually and as part of the totals of their original titles, then positions #99 and #100 go to Kirby's Dream Land and Super Mario Bros. Deluxe (or Star Fox 64 / Lylat Wars if you also cut SMB DX for being a compilation as well) respectively.
In terms of which sets of combined titles I think should be combined even in the normal list:
- BOTW and OG TP definitely
- a bunch of the NES/GB crossplat titles like Mario & Yoshi, Tetris, Golf
- direct ports with only minor alterations probably could also be combined so things like Tropical Freeze, NSMBUDX, the DKC portable versions (not the DKL titles), Super Mario All Stars (as in the SNES and Wii releases, not the individual games it remakes) and the various GBA ports of NES games (at least the ones we have data for).
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While obviously extremely impressive for Zelda Pokemon games have always had their legs cut by the next game coming so soon. Especially during that time period (outside of Japan). For example in Europe Red/Blue, Yellow and then Gold/Silver released within 18 months in quick succession with each one cutting the legs of the previous game. Extra year for Red/Blue in west during that Pokemon craze would have meant way higher final numbers than it got but obviously total sales for all Pokemon games were extremely high because of that release schedule during the boom.
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Twilight Princess combined with the HD version would be at exactly 10M.While, I do agree that combining titles isn't best practice - it is still interesting to see what the top 100 looks like when you do combine titles (and this has a lot of combining):
This combines different platform versions, Pokémon third/fourth versions, adds compilations to their original titles (see the various Mario platformers), and all remasters/remakes. Purple indicates "has a Switch version, which is counted" and Red indicates Switch exclusives - the asterisks indicate platforms where sales aren't known, so aren't included in the total. I've also counted DKL2 as an adaptation of DKC2 (whereas DKL1 is defo a unique game, and DKC3 and DKL3 combined are still too low to be on this list) and added New Super Luigi U sales to NSMBU rather than listed it separately.
Oh, and if you take out the two Mario All-Stars compilations due to being counted both individually and as part of the totals of their original titles, then positions #99 and #100 go to Kirby's Dream Land and Super Mario Bros. Deluxe (or Star Fox 64 / Lylat Wars if you also cut SMB DX for being a compilation as well) respectively.
In terms of which sets of combined titles I think should be combined even in the normal list:
- BOTW and OG TP definitely
- a bunch of the NES/GB crossplat titles like Mario & Yoshi, Tetris, Golf
- direct ports with only minor alterations probably could also be combined so things like Tropical Freeze, NSMBUDX, the DKC portable versions (not the DKL titles), Super Mario All Stars (as in the SNES and Wii releases, not the individual games it remakes) and the various GBA ports of NES games (at least the ones we have data for).
And Mario Kart Double Dash is not on Switch.
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I'm not sure how that NSW ended up on Double Dash!! tbh, maybe I just auto-piloted while filling out the numbers - but Celine's numbers suggest that combined TP only reached 9.84m:
7.26m (Wii) + 1.43m (GCN) + 1.15m (HD) = 9.84m
The 10m number on VGsales is wrong, because they apparently added 7.26m and 1.43m together to make 8.85m somehow, when that equals 8.69m.
EDIT: I've now fixed the Double Dash!! issue, and also an error where the cursor was visible on Kirby and the Forgotten Land.
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Nintendo reported 8.85M for Twilight Princess themselves right before the release of Twilight Princess HD. It doesn't matter what anyone else reported.
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That "other people reporting" is Nintendo themselves, to the CESA. Now, I don't know exactly how the White Papers work, so I don't know whether they ever stop giving figures for games after a certain number of years. I don't know if we have someone who has one of the more recent white papers to check and see what the final totals listed for TP are.Nintendo reported 8.85M for Twilight Princess themselves right before the release of Twilight Princess HD. It doesn't matter what anyone else reported.
The Wii version must have been 7.42M.
After a certain point in time Nintendo stops sending CESA new updated figures for legacy consoles, even if some games on said legacy consoles may sell slightly more over time.
It's always Nintendo that has the most up to date figures for their games as it is obvious.
If Nintendo says Twilight Princess Wii+GC has sold 8.85M worldwide as September 2015 then it is so.
Note that by the same principle it can't be ascertained with precision the exact TP Wii version LTD as September 2015 because it's uncertain what is the definitive TP GC version LTD.
Maybe you can update the Nintendo database with this information for TP.
Then if someone whant to use a number for TP he can use the combined number of 8,85M as September 2015.
I my opinion even if the real number can be slighty different 7,42M as September 2015 can be use as final LTD of the Wii version.
TP GC shipment after 2007 are probably very low so 7,42M is close enough to real number.
We just have to mention that this is an estimate.
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It will be interesting to see if BOTW get's a boost in the next quarter, i expect it to sell at least 1 million maybe up to 1.5 million.
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