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Which movie do you intend to see in theaters ?

  • Barbie

    Votes: 5 20.8%

  • Oppenheimer

    Votes: 6 25.0%

  • Barbenheimer

    Votes: 5 20.8%

  • None of the above

    Votes: 8 33.3%
  • Total voters
    24
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But ... NO war, guys. 🤷‍♀️


I think a lot of people approach this too simple, holding up abstract morality and then go 'Light is evil, therefore this situation is wrong'. Whereas in reality, most people would absolutely welcome Kira, because he saved their lives. Forget about morality for a moment and think of the actual people Yemenians, Uighurs, Ukrainians, various African nations, and so many more areas in the world where people suffer every day - bamm, suddenly there's peace. No more murdering.

I feel like you'd have a hard time convincing these people that Kira is wrong.
 
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Tokuiten said:
But ... NO war, guys. 🤷‍♀️


I think a lot of people approach this too simple, holding up abstract morality and then go 'Light is evil, therefore this situation is wrong'. Whereas in reality, most people would absolutely welcome Kira, because he saved their lives. Forget about morality for a moment and think of the actual people Yemenians, Uighurs, Ukrainians, various African nations, and so many more areas in the world where people suffer every day - bamm, suddenly there's peace. No more murdering.

I feel like you'd have a hard time convincing these people that Kira is wrong.
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A lot of people would welcome Kira, because the promise is enticing, because a simpler view of the world is more attractive and audible that taking morality as a nuanced issue.

Kira is basically three things:

- Justice by death penalty
- Omnipotent, with nobody out of its reach
- Human

Even if we agree with the first point (at least as a necessary mean to reach global peace), which is extremely debatable, it all falls apart when we take into account that Kira is human.

-> which means it can be wrong, and target a wrong individual
-> is mortal and targettable, which means it will need to protect itself.

Death Note shows how Light evolves as he uses his power, his principles of justice all fall apart when he starts to kill to protect himself. He manipulates, lies, and betrays his ideal in order to keep his almighty power.

By the end of the book, what's the difference between Light and the criminals he vowed to eliminate ?
 
Tokuiten said:
But ... NO war, guys. 🤷‍♀️


I think a lot of people approach this too simple, holding up abstract morality and then go 'Light is evil, therefore this situation is wrong'. Whereas in reality, most people would absolutely welcome Kira, because he saved their lives. Forget about morality for a moment and think of the actual people Yemenians, Uighurs, Ukrainians, various African nations, and so many more areas in the world where people suffer every day - bamm, suddenly there's peace. No more murdering.

I feel like you'd have a hard time convincing these people that Kira is wrong.
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The rule of Kira isn't that these things magically don't happen. It's that the current world powers are terrified to act for fear of being reprimanded. But the systems of capitalism and imperialism make it so that war is an inevitability, so it is more likely that eventually they would engage in warfare, covertly or otherwise. They'd probably come up with ways around Kira's rules, if someone like L can figure out Kira's limitations based on just one TV stunt.

What people would welcome with Kira is ultimately irrelevant to this discussion.
 
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A lot of people would welcome Kira, because the promise is enticing, because a simpler view of the world is more attractive and audible that taking morality as a nuanced issue.

Kira is basically three things:

- Justice by death penalty
- Omnipotent, with nobody out of its reach
- Human

Even if we agree with the first point (at least as a necessary mean to reach global peace), which is extremely debatable, it all falls apart when we take into account that Kira is human.

-> which means it can be wrong, and target a wrong individual
-> is mortal and targettable, which means it will need to protect itself.

Death Note shows how Light evolves as he uses his power, his principles of justice all fall apart when he starts to kill to protect himself. He manipulates, lies, and betrays his ideal in order to keep his almighty power.

By the end of the book, what's the difference between Light and the criminals he vowed to eliminate ?
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Three points:

- Kira only ever killed criminals or in self-defense. I don't think you can hold it against him when he killed FBI-agents and such. Them getting him => death penalty for him.
- the difference between him and criminals is pretty obvious: He kills bad people to protect innocent people.
- This is the big one: You're saying Kira is human and thus flawed. Correct. But let's say Kira makes even 10 "mistakes" a day, how'd that measure against all the innocent people dying in wars (and crimes) every day? I'm personally against "for the greater good"-arguments, but from the POV of suffering people, wouldn't Kira's reign be preferable?
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The rule of Kira isn't that these things magically don't happen. It's that the current world powers are terrified to act for fear of being reprimanded. But the systems of capitalism and imperialism make it so that war is an inevitability, so it is more likely that eventually they would engage in warfare, covertly or otherwise. They'd probably come up with ways around Kira's rules, if someone like L can figure out Kira's limitations based on just one TV stunt.

What people would welcome with Kira is ultimately irrelevant to this discussion.
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You cannot keep up corrupt systems without giving up on a lot of the alluring elements of it, like fame and prestige. To counter Kira, world leaders as well as rich gangster bosses would need to go completely anonymous, but not only them, even their staff. And even then, they wouldn't be able to prevent Kira from putting pressure on them. Imagine the USA installed a 100% anonymous government. Shadow-president is like "haha, Kira, we got you!". Now Kira says he'll kill Taylor Swift if the USA won't stop doing whatever Kira doesn't like them doing. And if not for celebrities, Kira could simply announce "every day your government won't stop doing XYZ, an innocent citizen will die. That will be your government's fault." Countering Kira is impossible in a society that has any morality left in it.

The only good argument I can see is that Kira being human means he'll die eventually, so what afterwards? Going by anime-logics, however, it wouldn't be a problem since you'd just have to find someone like Mikami.
 
Killing the people at top doesn't fix the system. Ignoring that Death Note goes off their real name ( so rich people would just live under a pseudonym, which is honestly not that irregular of event), it requires conflict be the result of specific people. If we consider Israel/Palestine, if Kira just followed the world media (assuming it's the Japanese news especially), he would be killing off Hamas rather than the reactionary Israeli government. For civil rights protests, how hard would it be for media to paint the protestors as violent rioters and Kira to kill the leaders rather than the cops. He can eventually realize he was tricked but that results in a power vacuum that really doesn't fix much. Assuming he can make the right decision rather than be used as a weapon against dissenters really ignores the big mistakes that led to L directly to him.
 
Astrogamer said:
Killing the people at top doesn't fix the system. Ignoring that Death Note goes off their real name ( so rich people would just live under a pseudonym, which is honestly not that irregular of event), it requires conflict be the result of specific people. If we consider Israel/Palestine, if Kira just followed the world media (assuming it's the Japanese news especially), he would be killing off Hamas rather than the reactionary Israeli government. For civil rights protests, how hard would it be for media to paint the protestors as violent rioters and Kira to kill the leaders rather than the cops. He can eventually realize he was tricked but that results in a power vacuum that really doesn't fix much. Assuming he can make the right decision rather than be used as a weapon against dissenters really ignores the big mistakes that led to L directly to him.
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1.) Kira's killings fix the system for at least his lifetime. That'd be pretty good.

2.) You're really misrepresenting Light here. He wouldn't just follow one biased news channel. It'd be out of character. Light is someone who knows well about international politics.

For your example: he'd kill Netanyahu, make him write a message 'give back Palestinian people their homes and stop the attacks on Palestine'. He'd then also kill whoever is leading Hamas and leave a message like ' stop attacking Israel. Kira is watching this region now. Peace must come between Israel and Palestine. Those who continue to commit violence, will die.'

Ofc, he wouldn't stop there. He'd get rid of USA/Saudia-Arabia supporting the region's groups. Heck, Kira would convince radical muslims that burning a quran doesn't justify violence. And he'd get rid of Mohammed bin Salman asap btw..

And again, rich people don't like to go in hiding and use pseudonyms. It'd also be too late for the current generation of rich people.

I'd really love to see another Death Note-story tbh. There's only been one manga short-story. It'd be so interesting to watch someone get the DN who's not as intelligent as Light, but more willing to directly change the world.
 
I've just watched Oppenheimer for the third time in IMAX. That's the first time I've seen a movie more than twice in the theater. It's one of the best theater experiences I've had if not the best. Fantastic movie through and through. One of very few movies I consider to be perfect.
 
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I finished watching the Live Action adaptation of One Piece yesterday and I actually enjoyed it (mostly).
Since I love the manga and hate the anime I'm glad there is now another option for me to "rewatch" the early arcs.

They skipped and changed a lot and I don't like how they handled Arlong Park but imo it's still a great companion piece to the manga.
Nami and Sanji were my highlights this season.
 
Simar said:
I finished watching the Live Action adaptation of One Piece yesterday and I actually enjoyed it (mostly).
Since I love the manga and hate the anime I'm glad there is now another option for me to "rewatch" the early arcs.

They skipped and changed a lot and I don't like how they handled Arlong Park but imo it's still a great companion piece to the manga.
Nami and Sanji were my highlights this season.
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Yeah, I think Arlong Park suffered the most from the rushed pace, a lot of critical stuff felt skimmed over. But I still really enjoyed it and hope it at least gets another season, because Alabasta is my favorite arc (and naturally Crocodile is my favorite villain).
 
i got a good resource for the more distribution aspec of business like retail distributions and such, though i still dont know how to use it really .
 
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After close to 60h I completed FFXVI and so far it's my favorite Final Fantasy game (extensive list in the spoiler tags below).
I've seen complaints about it being an RPG-lite but imo it would have been a better game with even more simplified mechanics.
(e.g. only upgrading weapon/gear instead of buying/crafting/reinforcing different items for the +2/+2 bonus and "estus flasks" instead of buying healing items)
The scope of the game and its characters was a lot smaller than I expected (not even close to Game of Thrones) but it was big enough for this standalone game (and maybe a DLC: Leviathan?).
"The Thousand Tomes" and "State of the Realm" are great features I'll miss in other games.

1. FF XVI
2. FF XIV: Heavensward
3. FF XIV: Stormblood (without Post-Stormblood MSQs)
4. FF XIV: A Realm Reborn
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Small update to my FF ranking:
1. FF XVI
2. FF XIV: Heavensward
3. FF XIV: Shadowbringers
4. FF XIV: Stormblood
5. FF XIV: A Realm Reborn

At this point I've already spent more than 500h in XIV. I should be able to start and (mostly) finish Endwalker later this year (after a small break to play the Pokémon DLC and maybe other games).

Other FF games that are high on my list (probably next year though):
FF XV: I need to look up what movies/series etc are required to watch before/during the game. Maybe I'll ignore everything and just play the game.
FF XIII: If there is a port/remaster/remake
FF VIIR: Not sure if I should know the original before playing this trilogy
FF VII Ever Crisis: Waiting until it's a more complete game and ideally with a console port
 
All of my bets in the Nintendo Direct were proven incorrect.

I also made one bet in the State of Play for later today. I said that no Bloodborne remaster would be announced. Take that for what it's worth.
 
Josh5890 said:
All of my bets in the Nintendo Direct were proven incorrect.

I also made one bet in the State of Play for later today. I said that no Bloodborne remaster would be announced. Take that for what it's worth.
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I on the contrary won all my bets on the Nintendo Direct.
 
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