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Speaking of, I am surprised Atlus didn't show off either Persona 3 Reload or Metaphor in this Direct. I'm sure they're coming, though.
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[Event thread] Nintendo Switch 2 Direct is 60mn long, TreeHouse on April 3rd/4th
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My thinking is that in terms of sheer model density if they managed to get Cyberpunk on there, then they should be able to do Witcher aswell, that game should be far more scalable in terms of loading stuff based on proximity. It won't look good, but it will run on it.
I saw a surprising number of people under the MP4 Treehouse re-upload saying how Star Fox-y some of the cutscenes felt, Imho Nintendo will try and squeeze one more Prime game (or at the very least Prime 2 and 3 remakes) out of their investment into Prime 4, but who knows, maybe this is the time Retro actually announces a Star Fox game. Personally I'd like them to revitalize another dormant IP or just give us the 3rd DKC: Returns title, but maybe there's an efficient way to pivot from Metroid to Star Fox.
My gut feeling is either Nintendo wants to announce third party games and cross gen games from here all the way up to the release date, forming a calendar of hype induction, or they're saving up reveals for a June Direct. we only have set dates up unitl July after all...
Are we sure that there will be some kind of summer direct at all? Maybe they will wait till the usual September Direct spot. The summer is already packed with DK (17th July), Jamboree S2 (24th July), Kirby S2 (28th August) and Drag and Drive (Summer). So maybe they think that this would be enough and wait for September + some tweets in between
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I think in September you give the lineup from December to March+ possibily a tease of something after that, in June/July you need to know when games from August till November will come out and what the December game will be. I think a re-relase with an expansion is too weak for August it being the 3rd month into the system's lifecycle, and September has often had more than one release. It would be a really bad September for me if they had Drag and Drive + Daemon X Machina as the only prominent tiles, especially given the latter is fully multiplatform.
Two of those are already on the Switch and has been for years. While they can maybe skip the summer thanks to Summer Game Fest and their partners filling some of the holes along with MS having their big thing in the summer and them supporting the Switch 2, I wouldn't put it past Nintendo doing their own thing in the summer even if it's a smaller affair. They can even do just game specific Direct like a deeper dive into Prime 4.
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I believe they will at least have a September Direct to outline their plans for early 2026 for both the Switch 1 and 2.
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I just realized Mario Kart World is gonna launch with no public server stress-test being a launch title. I really hope Nintendo is preparing the servers for like 10M concurrent players just to be safe.
Speaking of public tests, I think the odds are very high we're getting a Test-Wheel sometime in June/July for Drag x Drive, the reception was pretty mild, but if the gameplay is fun it could spark more interest, just like the Test-Punch for ARMS (which arguably felt more appealing from the getgo).
Is there a full reveal trailer anywhere for FAST Fusion? I still haven't seen it!
Speaking of public tests, I think the odds are very high we're getting a Test-Wheel sometime in June/July for Drag x Drive, the reception was pretty mild, but if the gameplay is fun it could spark more interest, just like the Test-Punch for ARMS (which arguably felt more appealing from the getgo).
Is there a full reveal trailer anywhere for FAST Fusion? I still haven't seen it!
Q1 Directs reveal the Summer line-up whereas June Directs reveal the Fall/Holiday one.
September Directs then show them again and goes until Q1 of the following year.
This is seemingly following the same schedule so a Switch Direct in June/July seems like a foregone conclusion.
How much is the Switch 1?
The regular is 3795 (360$) and OLED is 4395 (417$). So quite the jump. Nobody expected that.
My biggest surprise was the almost complete lack of Microsoft at this thing. No Xbox Studios, No Bethesda, No Blizzard, No COD, No Minecraft even. Only rep was Activision with THPS3+4 (which is also on NS1).
Beforehand they were rumored to be one of the heaviest 3rd party supporters and while I'm sure a ton of games are coming, I was surprised not to see anything else here. Like, not even Minecraft?
Beforehand they were rumored to be one of the heaviest 3rd party supporters and while I'm sure a ton of games are coming, I was surprised not to see anything else here. Like, not even Minecraft?
Never expected a big MS’ presence. I figured anything for the Switch 2 will be at their summer event or Blizzard’s.
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I remember people saying the best reason to go SD Express over other options that had a stronger production pipeline or easier conversion of existing embedded NAND production was for card reader compatibility with standard microSD cards, and... womp womp, we got lower production rates AND no backwards compatibility. So much for that, I guess.
Yes this is the usual pattern in 'normal' years. But this year could be different to obvious reasons. I mean, from a personal side, I definetly hope that there will be some kind of summer direct and that Nintendo reveals 1-2 additional S2 exclusive games for holiday. But I would not rule out that this will not happen this year
I mean, I sort of expected at least Bethesda and Minecraft there given they were at the Switch 1 rollout. Though it feels like Elden Ring and Cyberpunk have functionally replaced Skyrim and a Starfield announcement or something probably would've felt muted a bit in the room. Doom TDA would've had some good breathing room though but maybe strategically they don't want anyone "waiting" for the release.
Nintendo likely made the call because they figured people would stick to using their regular big/cheap micro SD cards for Switch 1 content and use it as cold storage to swap around Switch 2 content between the internal and external storage.
Its a bummer but probably needed to kickstart the Micro SD Express adoption rate and push these prices down fast.
as a consumer. All I see are excuses for a company that has no problem copying things that make money from competition but not the things that benefits the consumer. Heck in previous generations their own games would have seen reduction in price.
HZD was not up $20 from its original launch proce. There was a price drop already.
Nintendo is being very strategic and calculative. No price in the direct. Burying the price of the games down below on the website. No price for game upgrades or switch 2 edition games
Places like Canada basically having no prices for games and accessories on their website.
Don’t give excuse for calculated corporate decisions. There’s plenty misinformation and they are the reason for it.
Now if I was in their position business wise I would also not put the price in the direct. But I think it would make sense to make sure the price of everything is clear once it’s over
Going by the development information that we got during the last days, there are three big question marks now:
Smash Bros: Sakurai / Sora and Bandai Namco (most probably Studio S) have developed Kirby Air Riders since spring 2022. So I guess that the next Smash Bros. game is still not in development OR only in some kind of light pre-production state. I strongly doubt that Sakurai and Studio S will be capable to do some big substantial development work for two new games simultaneously. So I think that we will not see a new entry before holiday 2028 or that we will maybe 'only' get some kind of Ultimate Deluxe Edition and NO big new entry at all on S2.
3D Mario: I think its pretty safe to assume that EPD 8 is developing DK Bananza and 3D Mario simultaneously at the moment. But big question is: How much time gap do they need to provide 3D Mario AFTER DK Bananza? Are there only a few months as a gap (so 3D Mario release in spring 2026 e.g.) or is 3D Mario only in pre-development so far and its full-production will only start this summer? In this case, we will not get this game before holiday 2027 at the earliest - which would be a strange pattern for usual main marios release schedules on new plattforms
EPD 5: Very interested in seeing what they are cooking. It seems too early for a new Splatoon and also too early for a new AC game (especially because new Tomodachi is coming in 2026). So I think they could work on a brandnew IP in between before Splatoon 4 will arrive in early 2027
Smash Bros: Sakurai / Sora and Bandai Namco (most probably Studio S) have developed Kirby Air Riders since spring 2022. So I guess that the next Smash Bros. game is still not in development OR only in some kind of light pre-production state. I strongly doubt that Sakurai and Studio S will be capable to do some big substantial development work for two new games simultaneously. So I think that we will not see a new entry before holiday 2028 or that we will maybe 'only' get some kind of Ultimate Deluxe Edition and NO big new entry at all on S2.
3D Mario: I think its pretty safe to assume that EPD 8 is developing DK Bananza and 3D Mario simultaneously at the moment. But big question is: How much time gap do they need to provide 3D Mario AFTER DK Bananza? Are there only a few months as a gap (so 3D Mario release in spring 2026 e.g.) or is 3D Mario only in pre-development so far and its full-production will only start this summer? In this case, we will not get this game before holiday 2027 at the earliest - which would be a strange pattern for usual main marios release schedules on new plattforms
EPD 5: Very interested in seeing what they are cooking. It seems too early for a new Splatoon and also too early for a new AC game (especially because new Tomodachi is coming in 2026). So I think they could work on a brandnew IP in between before Splatoon 4 will arrive in early 2027
I mean it works in both ways, Switch 2 games can be played with Switch 1 controllers.
Meanwhile Sony limited DS4 to only be used on PS4 games to get people to buy Dual Senses.
I agree that Nintendos messaging overall was subpar though. Too many unforced errors.
I do agree on Minecraft since Fortnite was there and Minecraft seriously needs an updated Switch 2 version. Minecraft have beeping running on Switch like ass for at least two years.
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I just realized that Nintendo killing Yuzu and neutralizing Ryujinx wasn't all about the Switch 2. It was also to protect the Switch 1 since they want to keep it alive for as long as possible as their low price option.
yeah and Sony got the deserved complaints. We all knew it was for sales. We instantly get it. Don’t form a pseudo rationale argument when we know it’s for higher margins( which I like and respect by the way, ride on Nintendo)
The $70 games was annoying but people moved on cause we knew there would be sales. Like making a button that doesn’t do anything unless you are subscribed is bold. At least audio chat should be free.
Now as a business person. I see gross margins. Japanese only console=Gross margins, $80 switch 2 enhanced games=sweet net margin.
As a buyer= finishing the games I have on my current switch and then giving it away. Check back in a couple of years.
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How do you square this with the fact that most games sales happen day 1 or very early on? Most people are not waiting for a sale
Because it is just a games trailer for an upcoming console? Maybe you look at the games trailer for the Wii U at the E³ 2011 again, what was shown, and what never came. Or maybe you look at the E³ 2011 conference how nice the president of EA was and how excited about the Wii U he was. This "we have plans for the future" is just marketing speech and says nothing about the real plans. Maybe they have a plan, maybe not, but thinking it will be there for 100% just because they said ONE LINE in a trailer for an upcoming console is just naive.
I did NEVER say there will be NO relevant third party announcements, i say my suggestion is that games like for example Onimusha 5, Metal Gear Solid Delta or Silent Hill f will not come the the Switch 2 after what i saw at the Nintendo Direct. I totally agree with what you wrote here:
this supposed STRONG third party lineup won't materialize, IMHO, ever, if we are expecting (me, I'm not) something better than what the Switch has seen in the past 6/7 years
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Why don't you just tell us what was in the WiiU game trailers that never came out? Why are you being cryptic?
And again, I'm asking why SE would even mention that at all if it wasn't the plan. They already have a game coming out this year, if they don't plan to bring other games over why would they tell people to look forward to info on those games? Why wouldn't they just say nothing
Just look for yourself:
Metro, Dirt, Ghost Recon Online and Aliens: Colonial Marines never made it to the Wii U, despite being shown at the biggest conference of the year. Four of the seven games that you saw in this trailer at the reveal of the console. Aliens: Colonial Marines was even shown one year later again as an upcoming title for the Wii U. Or maybe you just look at this statement from Riccitiello about the Wii U and there partnership with Nintendo from the same conference and then look again at all the games EA released for the console:
So again, just been at a trailer means nothing in the end.
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1049 kr for Mario Kart World. WTF.
For reference, Tears of the Kingdom is 599 kr.
Donkey Kong Bananza is 929 kr. Which is more expensive than any of the high-priced PS5 games, including Death Stranding 2 and Monster Hunter Wilds.
The Astro Bot PS5 Slim Bundle is notably cheaper than the Switch 2 base console.
This will have consequences, this is too much.
O, I partially agree and I still stand by what I said
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keeping the "mature Switch-like" level of support won't translate into "no Konami actual gen support", IMHO - we will see MSG Delta and or Silent Hill F coming to Switch 2 I bet
Onimusha 2? Not sure, but still could: I mean, if Konami simply confirm a "Switch1 launch-level" of support (Bomberman R and Survival Kids are two domant minor IPs seeing a Nintendo-exsclusive day1 launch) it's evident Capcom improved
Bomberman R = Survival Kids
Ultra Street Fighter 2 < Street Fighter 6 + Kamitsugami
Me, I personally think that only Atlus actually did worst at the Switch2 presentation than what they did at the Switch1 presentation
SMT V > Raidou Remaster
basically everyone* else that got a spotlight in the Direct did more/more important announcements than back in January 2017
*Bethesda clearly worsened their support, but I think it's more a matter of MS wanting to keep their game announcements in their own events than anything. I mean, even CoD, that is contractually pre-announced, hasn't been shown yet for the Switch 2
As usual the Nintendo 1st party offering looks like a banger, but these prices are just too hefty across the board to buy the system at launch and who knows when.
Switch 2: 589e
Switch 2 Mario Kart World bundle: 649e
Joy-Con 2 pair: 109e
BotW Switch 2 Edition: 79,90e
TotK Switch 2 Edition: 79,90e
The console price is still tolerable (although more expensive than Series X and PS5 at launch) but the real kicker is the controller and game prices, which starts to add up out of my comfort zone already in the short term.
Switch 2: 589e
Switch 2 Mario Kart World bundle: 649e
Joy-Con 2 pair: 109e
BotW Switch 2 Edition: 79,90e
TotK Switch 2 Edition: 79,90e
The console price is still tolerable (although more expensive than Series X and PS5 at launch) but the real kicker is the controller and game prices, which starts to add up out of my comfort zone already in the short term.
Microsoft probably will be the only ones doing an E3 show. Why not make some "out now" on Nintendo Switch 2 announcements?
I mean to be fair, I'm not sure using a platform that flopped is a good example. WiiU's expectations were certainly higher due to Wii success. That fell through and 3rd parties abandoned. Who would blame them, Nintendo didn't show up either.
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Only thing thats clear for sure it's that they said FFVII Remake project in purpose if not they would just say FFVII Remake so there are plans to bring more games of the 'FFVIIR series' for sure, if that ends up being materializing in FFVIIR Rebirth releasing we will see but it seems like right now thats the plan
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Creator Voice's interview with Miyazaki.
Interesting The Duskbloods started as a Switch game and was moved very early in production to Switch 2. I think this may give us a 2020-2022 timeframe for the beginning of pre-production.
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Foor god's sake, it is just an example that you don't can things that are shown in these trailers take for given. For the last FUCKING time i'm not saying there will be no bigger third party games on the Switch 2, i'm not saying there will be no Nintendo games after 2025 because they did not show some in the Direct, all i say is that after the Nintendo Direct i don't expect a far better support from the third parties as the Switch 1 had. Even IF there was ONE FUCKING LINE from Square Enix about the Final Fantasy Remake project.
And FUCKING again, all "this will be at the next Nintendo Direct!" is just the same we did in the last FUCKING fifteen years. I remember how excitet I was about all the big games from Square Enix and Bandai Namco and Sega on the Wii, all i had to do was waiting because "they need time".
What for the fuck is there to missunderstand for some of you?
*please excuse may cursing but i'm just tired of writing it AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN*
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its bergsala
they basically do scalping on an official level of all of scandinavia(and part of the baltics)
which is sad but also hilarious, since they got their in with nintendo 40 years ago by their ceo going directly to japan and pretending to be a major distributor, and the relationship has held so strong they got to retain distribution rights even after nintendo of europe was founded
It's still not a good example because it ignores the context of that console. I'm sure you can find others if need be but regardless this debate is pointless. Who is to decide what is far better support than Switch 1? This is all subjective.
I'm just trying to help you see how it looks like cherry picking to fit an agenda by you singling out that console lol. No other examples besides WiiU?
That's why i wrote this yesterday:
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So then take your own advice, you don't have to respond just because someone quoted you.
For me, it's a form of respect and decency to answer when someone asks you something. And after I wrote that, I was asked more questions.
I mean, the Switch 1 reveal also had stuff that didn't come to fruition (Steep, Nagoshi game). That happens pretty often, even with successful machines, but trying to draw a Wii U comparison here feels divorced from the realities of the marketplace we're in.
Norway probably isn't the most price sensitive place, but this is still too much. The Mario Kart bundle is twice the price of a regular Switch and as you said more expensive than the PS5. Norway also unlike the other Nordics also seems to like Nintendo and this is a sure way to lose sales.
IT'S NOT A COMPARISON TO THE WIIU! JUST AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THINGS SHOWED IN TRAILERS DON'T HAVE TO MEAN ANYTHING! BECAUSE I WAS ASKED WHY SQUARE ENIX WOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN A TRAILER IF THEY DIDN'T MEAN IT!
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It's not a comparison with the Wii U. Just an example of how things showed in trailers don't have to mean anything. Because I was asked why Square Enix would say something like that in a trailer if they didn't mean it.
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I’ve had some time to digest everything that has happened this week.
Let’s first start with the direct: it was good. They had a solid lineup of games, though it was a bit conservative with it being only launch window focused. It was also not good that they didn’t include any pricing information in the direct. This will be something I think they will regret when looking back on this moment.
Secondly, all the information that has come out after the direct has been a total shit show. And this is almost entirely Nintendo’s fault. The amount of confusion and misinformation that has been spread around about pricing is extremely damaging. Not to mention the actual truth of the pricing is not great. $80 for MKW sucks. There’s no way around it. The Switch 2 Edition games are confusing and the pricing is mind boggling for some of them. The only pricing that is acceptable is the console pricing, but just barely.
Nintendo should have been upfront about the pricing and try to justify it instead of pushing it to side for people to hopefully forget about it. Instead, people online had to piece together all this information themselves and it has caused a total uproar as a result. The messaging is now out of their control. People aren’t talking about the games really, they’re focusing on the pricing. Nintendo needs to put out a statement and try to address all these things or risk further damage.
This problem is not going to go away and it’s entirely because of their intentional withholding and rollout of information.
Let’s first start with the direct: it was good. They had a solid lineup of games, though it was a bit conservative with it being only launch window focused. It was also not good that they didn’t include any pricing information in the direct. This will be something I think they will regret when looking back on this moment.
Secondly, all the information that has come out after the direct has been a total shit show. And this is almost entirely Nintendo’s fault. The amount of confusion and misinformation that has been spread around about pricing is extremely damaging. Not to mention the actual truth of the pricing is not great. $80 for MKW sucks. There’s no way around it. The Switch 2 Edition games are confusing and the pricing is mind boggling for some of them. The only pricing that is acceptable is the console pricing, but just barely.
Nintendo should have been upfront about the pricing and try to justify it instead of pushing it to side for people to hopefully forget about it. Instead, people online had to piece together all this information themselves and it has caused a total uproar as a result. The messaging is now out of their control. People aren’t talking about the games really, they’re focusing on the pricing. Nintendo needs to put out a statement and try to address all these things or risk further damage.
This problem is not going to go away and it’s entirely because of their intentional withholding and rollout of information.
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I would be thrilled if Retro made a third DKC, especially if they’re gonna be making DK a pillar franchise again with Bananza and the theme park. In an ideal world, Retro could expand enough to work on multiple titles at once.
Just let the games do the talking.
Switch 2 pricing in the US won't be an issue, it is positioned arguably on par/better than the Switch 1.
