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Here I thought i was special lol!
Is this the moderation feedback thread I can post in if we have an issue with moderation?
Yes this is the thread.
So you do realize someone entering that thread to respond to me but me not being able to respond or else moderation is proof that defending Chris's comment is ok because mods said so right? If the mod team wanted that conversation to end, then that post should apply to us all including people that quote me. The people that quote have also ignored that mod post and continued but you were only talking to me. Funny enough, your fellow mod @Vena included that last piece ("though he probably won't if he reads some of these posts proclaiming doom over a minor, factual comment") just so they got the last word lol. I mean it all turned into that because some posters commented on his comment and many posters entered the thread to defend his comment including mods. If we should take this up with him on twitter, then there was no need for people to bend over backwards to defend his take. Those comments against his stance could have been ignored and left alone, instead defenders including mods turned it into a discussion.
Edit: This will be my final post on this, just my last two cents.
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Just so you understand: the reason you were told to stop was you were attacking Dring and not just saying the argument is wrong. You said he was dumb or trolling. You said his integrity is in question because of this. That he was dishonest. I specifically pointed you out because you kept going after him. That’s the issue.
I'll edit those post to better explain what I was trying to say. I was not trying to call him any of that, I was trying to say I refuse to believe he is any of that. I believe he was premature on his take similar to fiendcode. I was trying to say there is no way he is dumb enough to believe Nintendo really has nothing. I was trying to say some people reading his post may view it as dishonest or trolling. Kenka I believe pointed to post in #39 or #41 that may believe this. Kenka disagrees with these post and I was trying to justify why they felt that way about his comments. I honestly just think he is premature and sick of waiting for what's next, but others may think differently about his comment. I'll leave it at this and thank you for atleast responding to me.
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User banned (permanent): Blatant console warring with long and recent history. Ignored moderator instructions to cool off.
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@Welfare @Oregano @MegaXZero @SoonyXboneUhh
Maybe this is a dialouge thread, huh? Let's see will moderation staff respond properly. Anyway, please provide to me specific sentence or part of the post where i've accused someone for something in Microsoft/ABK thread.
If you couldn't do it, you've falsely accused me just to remove me from thread.
Maybe this is a dialouge thread, huh? Let's see will moderation staff respond properly. Anyway, please provide to me specific sentence or part of the post where i've accused someone for something in Microsoft/ABK thread.
If you couldn't do it, you've falsely accused me just to remove me from thread.
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The whole post is permeated of antagonistic behaviour in general, but this is the exact part of the post that falls under "accusations against other members"
You accused the poster you quoted but also other members in general to have issues with people who "think otherwise" i.e. people who don't believe that the deal will go through. In general, looking at the context of the post, having issues with the CMA's course of action is not equivalent to having issues with people who think that Microsoft shouldn't be allowed to acquire Activision / Blizzard. It's pretty much a false equivalence on your side.
Whilst we ultimately agreed with your point that FOSSpatents' recent behaviour warrants dropping them as a source, the threadban that was issued is a result of the fact you came back from a month long ban and immediately started a fight.
If I refer to you to the public policy for the moderation ladder you can see that given your history, consisting of six infractions committed between March 15th, 2023 and June 5th, 2023, thus in less than three months, the next step would be a permanent ban, but as this behaviour has been contained to that specific topic we decided to use our discretion precisely because we don't want to remove anyone from any topics if that is something that can be avoided.
Hopefully this clears up any misunderstanding on the matter.
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Really? Accused? It is not. I've asked him why is that a problem? I didn't said something like "i don't really understand how anyone can support this deal, no one should take them seriously". That's accusation, but i didn't do it. I've just asked "what's the problem?" Question isn't an accusation. So, may i ask you why you haven't reacted accordingly when i've reported that kind of posts which were pointed toward those who were against the deal? Those members are accused constantly by others till this very day. Not a single warning, threadbann or similar. Otherwise they wouldn't do that again and again. Double standards? I can find around 3 posts from last week pointed towards those who are against the deal and report them, and you will do.......nothing actually.
So what i've a started a "fight"? I was banned. I have right to answer to some posts even if week or more old. Would do the same if i weren't banned. Today yesterday i've just quoted them all in one post. "fights" in that thread are every day.
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For full disclosure, I reported you in that thread, though I assume I wasn't alone in doing that. The only reason I did it is because of your tone, not because of what you said. Calling people astroturfing LUNATICS doesn't belong in a serious discussion, imo.
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It wasn't pointed to anyone on the forum, but outside of it. And Florian Muller is just that. Doxxer and attacker. And astroturfer lunatic. That kind of persons shouldn't be tweeted, mentioned, let alone followed on forums. And forums should stay away from those.
Mind you that i can find bunch of posts which contained name calling towards CMA and FTC persons....and no one complained. For some reason. Probably doesn't belong in a serious discussion.... Or it does, huh? So, double standards, huh?
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Just here to let you know, I'm no longer doing moderation duties.
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I rather agree, and for me that would be ok if there were an option to pay a member fee that removes it, but there still isn't.
Google is often testing new ways to showcase their ads. Could you be more precise about which ads you find "aggressive and disruptive" ?
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Sometimes lately when I click on something I get an ad instead of the page I was supposed to, and only when I close it I get the page. Not sure when this happens
Edit: haha, happened to me right now. I clicked on the top left menu lines (or maybe already chose Market) and got a full page ad
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I've been seeing these full page ads on a few other websites too. They are indeed annoying but at least they go away quickly.
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Yes but they happen with actions that I do frequently, and when on mobile it is less easy to make them go away, aiming for the small X with the finger is an annoyance for me.
Even now it happened again (@Lelouch0612 ) - I saw there was a new notification (BTB123 response), clicked on it and got another ad instead of getting right to the post.
I've disabled it now. Didn't realise google was running this experiment so thanks for letting us know.
I'll try any look into this more. Would be nice for donors to get that benefit.
I've noticed a bug in the text editor. I like to put a blank line between paragraphs sometimes, but whenever I backspace at all (Even when just backspacing a single letter I just typed on the new paragraph), it removes the last blank line. It only happens when there's only one blank line between the paragraphs, and not when there are multiple.
It's a bug that's fixed in the next Xenforo release. I'll look to get everything updated next week.
Xenforo version was updated and this bug should be fixed now.
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Hey all! So just now I was suggesting to a friend on discord to join this forum, and I started looking for a page on the site that's kind of like an "About Us" to describe the overarching purpose or goals of the forum. And I couldn't really find one. Is there something like that somewhere? If not, I think it would be useful to have!
If it's written out in one of the staff threads, then maybe a direct link to it from the homepage or top menu would be good too
If it's written out in one of the staff threads, then maybe a direct link to it from the homepage or top menu would be good too
Hmm you are right, we never made an "about us" description. I'll work with the team to create one. When we do, it'll be added to this page: https://www.installbaseforum.com/forums/help/rules/
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Tech issue
I received an update for the IB web app today. Now, when I open the app, it will auto rotate depending on how my phone is held. I know it isn't a phone setting because I don't have the same problem with the Famiboards web app. Not sure if this is a site issue or a Samsung issue, but I figured I would bring it up.
I received an update for the IB web app today. Now, when I open the app, it will auto rotate depending on how my phone is held. I know it isn't a phone setting because I don't have the same problem with the Famiboards web app. Not sure if this is a site issue or a Samsung issue, but I figured I would bring it up.
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I've looked everywhere but haven't found any answer to this, but as far as I know, I meet the number of posts and membership duration to create threads, yet for some reason I have not been notified of this feature and can't see the button.
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I know that it's been recommended that people transcribe from Twitter posts in addition to posting them, however I've found that suggestions rarely adhered to. I think it may be in the best interest of the forum to enforce this a bit more; whether that be by adding a script that will add that to posts, or requiring it as a rule.
Reasoning:
With the recent unpredictability in Twitter/X's actions, we've seen embeds break entirely, the website be shut off from all non-logged in persons, a complete rebrand of the company, all without any warning. Obviously this is of little interest to the forum directly, however, it seems Elon Musk is going to be pushing twitter.com users over to x.com. Currently there's simply a redirect so people can go to x.com and come out at twitter.com, but I think it's reasonable to assume that this redirect will be reversed. We do not know if they will maintain both twitter.com and x.com, and if the embed functionality would still be enabled for twitter.com links. If not, thousands of posts across the forum would lose valuable information and context that's only being shown via embedded tweets as of right now.
I'm sure the moderators and admins have been considering this stuff, but I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in.
Reasoning:
With the recent unpredictability in Twitter/X's actions, we've seen embeds break entirely, the website be shut off from all non-logged in persons, a complete rebrand of the company, all without any warning. Obviously this is of little interest to the forum directly, however, it seems Elon Musk is going to be pushing twitter.com users over to x.com. Currently there's simply a redirect so people can go to x.com and come out at twitter.com, but I think it's reasonable to assume that this redirect will be reversed. We do not know if they will maintain both twitter.com and x.com, and if the embed functionality would still be enabled for twitter.com links. If not, thousands of posts across the forum would lose valuable information and context that's only being shown via embedded tweets as of right now.
I'm sure the moderators and admins have been considering this stuff, but I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in.
It's a good idea of possibly automating it, I would need to look into it.
It's a rule we could enforce more. We do get reports about people not transcribing and having to do it ourselves. I'll discuss with the mods about potential steps.
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Good day everyone!
I've been thinking about making a thread around the upcoming One Piece Netflix adaptation that's coming up. Mainly to discuss the potential for its succes and explaining from my own pov why I think it will be and talk about potential ramifications of said succes znd to talk about why earlier adaptations failed.
At the same time, I know there's plenty of others who have their own feelings regarding Live Action anime adaptations and I would like to get people's feedback about making a dedicated thread for at least One Piece Live Action.
What are people's thoughts regarding this subject?
I've been thinking about making a thread around the upcoming One Piece Netflix adaptation that's coming up. Mainly to discuss the potential for its succes and explaining from my own pov why I think it will be and talk about potential ramifications of said succes znd to talk about why earlier adaptations failed.
At the same time, I know there's plenty of others who have their own feelings regarding Live Action anime adaptations and I would like to get people's feedback about making a dedicated thread for at least One Piece Live Action.
What are people's thoughts regarding this subject?
Been thinking. This sounds insignificant but is underrated and probably not thought about.
The one thing I noticed this forum does that I haven't seen anywhere else that I love incessantly is how threads save your place. Example: if a thread has 50 replies and I read all them time passes and now it's 100, clicking on it brings me to 51. Other forums make you start at 1, so hope you remember where you left off.
Like I said, insignificant but it's one of those little things that I love that never gets brought up. +10 internet points to the staff who thought of it.
The one thing I noticed this forum does that I haven't seen anywhere else that I love incessantly is how threads save your place. Example: if a thread has 50 replies and I read all them time passes and now it's 100, clicking on it brings me to 51. Other forums make you start at 1, so hope you remember where you left off.
Like I said, insignificant but it's one of those little things that I love that never gets brought up. +10 internet points to the staff who thought of it.
There was an issue with the latest version of Xenforo, more information can be found here: https://xenforo.com/community/threads/xf-2-2-13-ignores-phones-auto-orientation-settings.214886/
I've applied a fix that should fix it. You may need to remove and re-add the app again to pick up the new settings.
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Would you consider just disabling twitter embeds? I feel like that would be a good option. Then people will be forced to transcribe or simply take screenshots of the posts.
Disabling embeds sounds like a terrible idea. At best it'll be a pain in the butt to post simple stuff that doesn't really need to be "archived" (or where it's no big deal if embed stops working), and at worst could be abused by someone to trick/troll members and/or Twitter users (though granted, in a closed community like IB the potential for abuse is less than for more open forums like the old places).
Twitter embeds are really useful because it's a quick and easy way to share information (you have text and image in a neat package), so outright banning embeds seems excessive. Especially since some content cannot be readily embedded another way (like Twitter videos).
Some (hopefully!) better suggestions:
1) automated system as mentioned above would be nice (or something à la fxtwitter from Discord?)
2) maybe a system that detects links and suggests the user adds transcription (a bit like the "message too short" warning)
3) overall, encourage users to avoid Twitter sources whenever possible and put links to a proper website/YouTube video instead.
4) encourage users to leave that sh*thole of an SNS asap unless they're forced to use it because there's simply no alternative
Only hope is that whatever gets implemented won't immediately become obsolete when Gelon Tusk inevitably kills Twitter embeds because reasons (or locks it behind Twitter Blue)
Twitter embeds are really useful because it's a quick and easy way to share information (you have text and image in a neat package), so outright banning embeds seems excessive. Especially since some content cannot be readily embedded another way (like Twitter videos).
Some (hopefully!) better suggestions:
1) automated system as mentioned above would be nice (or something à la fxtwitter from Discord?)
2) maybe a system that detects links and suggests the user adds transcription (a bit like the "message too short" warning)
3) overall, encourage users to avoid Twitter sources whenever possible and put links to a proper website/YouTube video instead.
Only hope is that whatever gets implemented won't immediately become obsolete when Gelon Tusk inevitably kills Twitter embeds because reasons (or locks it behind Twitter Blue
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The update finally came through for me. Thank you so much!
As of yesterday, 1st_horseman has been permabanned. Before the ban, he had 7 moderator actions in the form of 2 warnings, 4 thread bans, and a 1-month ban, all dealing with Xbox related topics. He continuously console warred against Xbox; derailing threads, posting disingenuously, and antagonizing other users resulting in ~64 reports.
As one might notice the number of actions is unusually large given they did not start posting until December of 2022, so all were within a year for purposes of the moderation ladder. Originally most of their posting issues were concentrated in the ABK acquisition thread. They were first warned and then threadbanned in that thread, followed by another warning. Then they received a month long ban due to yet another post in that thread. It is notable that despite not having received a regular site ban before this, they were already at their 5th moderator action in a year on the ladder, which for a full member is well past a permanent ban.
Upon their return from this month-long ban, they immediately began to repeat their antagonism in the ABK thread. To avoid a permanent site ban, we decided to do a permanent thread ban instead, hoping this would solve the issue by making clear their actions were beyond what we could tolerate and removing a lightning rod for
Unfortunately, they recently moved on to console warring about Starfield on Xbox. They received another thread ban and were told to cool off from posting on the game given the large amount of warring they were doing in a short amount of time. They continued to console war about the game after this, and so a moderator reached out to them as a final plea before a permanent site ban. The moderator explained the issue and told them to stop. Despite being told bluntly that they could be permabanned, 1st_horseman continued to console war. The moderator sent a final message, saying a ban would wait until they could respond one last time to the DM. Instead of responding, they ignored the DM and continued to post and console war.
So, there you have it. Permanently banning someone from the forum is not something we look forward to doing, and as you can see worked to avoid. However, sometimes users are not willing to try and change their posting habits. In which case a permanent ban becomes necessary.
As one might notice the number of actions is unusually large given they did not start posting until December of 2022, so all were within a year for purposes of the moderation ladder. Originally most of their posting issues were concentrated in the ABK acquisition thread. They were first warned and then threadbanned in that thread, followed by another warning. Then they received a month long ban due to yet another post in that thread. It is notable that despite not having received a regular site ban before this, they were already at their 5th moderator action in a year on the ladder, which for a full member is well past a permanent ban.
Upon their return from this month-long ban, they immediately began to repeat their antagonism in the ABK thread. To avoid a permanent site ban, we decided to do a permanent thread ban instead, hoping this would solve the issue by making clear their actions were beyond what we could tolerate and removing a lightning rod for
Unfortunately, they recently moved on to console warring about Starfield on Xbox. They received another thread ban and were told to cool off from posting on the game given the large amount of warring they were doing in a short amount of time. They continued to console war about the game after this, and so a moderator reached out to them as a final plea before a permanent site ban. The moderator explained the issue and told them to stop. Despite being told bluntly that they could be permabanned, 1st_horseman continued to console war. The moderator sent a final message, saying a ban would wait until they could respond one last time to the DM. Instead of responding, they ignored the DM and continued to post and console war.
So, there you have it. Permanently banning someone from the forum is not something we look forward to doing, and as you can see worked to avoid. However, sometimes users are not willing to try and change their posting habits. In which case a permanent ban becomes necessary.
You guys are saints. I have no other words for that level of patience.
I'd have a question about moderation work: do you keep track of ignore lists, and do you undertake action if a given user is ignored by a number of other users? If yes, si there a threshold? Do you take action after said user is ignored by five members? Ten members? Thanks for your answer. I hope I don't sound too wary.
We have the data and it's used in the overall decision process as a minor argument I imagine.
Or rather when something is reported we take a broad look at everything that matters, thread context, poster history, report history, warning history, ignored by and so on.
Considering your question I think you'd be surprised by the amount of members who are on the ignore lists of ten people or more.
I don't know if there's anything to enforce on the basis of only "being ignored by X users" nearly every single active member is on the ignore list of a few people, even the most consensual ones, but there's obviously a strong correlation between how "divisive" one member can be and how many members ignore them (and the correlation is strong with number of posts as well)
At 2000 ignores by other users, you receive mod-status to uno-reverse the ignores. Working hard on it.
Thank you for the transparency. Awesome post.
Let me join the race thenAt 2000 ignores by other users, you receive mod-status to uno-reverse the ignores. Working hard on it.
Ironically as a mod you can't reverse an ignore but you can force someone to ignore someone else (but it has rarely been used)At 2000 ignores by other users, you receive mod-status to uno-reverse the ignores. Working hard on it.
Your account is still in Junior phase (<Thanks) so you cannot post threads on your own.
We might easen up the restrictions on this, in the meantime you can reach to someone so that they post the thread on your behalf.