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[cw_sasuke]

Looks like SH2 might be the next GamePass addition

Xbox Game Pass Insider Leaks New RPG Being Added Soon

According to a new rumor from a fairly well-known leaker, Xbox Game Pass is getting a new Atlus [...]

comicbook.com

Must have been a cheap pick up for Phil based on it's performance.

---Mod Edit---

Some context on the source:

True, but since it seems like something that might happen I posted it despite the questionable source.

SH2 probably sold the majority of copies they were ever gonna sell already, so it makes sense. GP addition would probably also mean that there are no plans to bother with a Switch port. Sega is just looking to recoup in every was possible in the current SKUs.

 

[Oregano]

Looks like SH2 might be the next GamePass addition

Xbox Game Pass Insider Leaks New RPG Being Added Soon

According to a new rumor from a fairly well-known leaker, Xbox Game Pass is getting a new Atlus [...]

comicbook.com

Must have been a cheap pick up for Phil based on it's performance.

It's plausible but this source is nothing.

 

[cw_sasuke]

It's plausible but this source is nothing.

True, but since it seems like something that might happen I posted it despite the questionable source.

SH2 probably sold the majority of copies they were ever gonna sell already, so it makes sense. GP addition would probably also mean that there are no plans to bother with a Switch port. Sega is just looking to recoup in every was possible in the current SKUs.

 

[Agent42]

For the love of god Atlus just give me a new Devil Survivor

I´m content with Atlus Entrian Odyssey HD remasters.

 

[Phantom Thief]

SH2 probably sold the majority of copies they were ever gonna sell already, so it makes sense. GP addition would probably also mean that there are no plans to bother with a Switch port. Sega is just looking to recoup in every was possible in the current SKUs.

While I’m not sure a Switch port for this game will happen, I don’t think GP deals mean anything for that either way. MS offering a Game Pass deal doesn’t preclude future ports (but Atlus simply may not feel those ports are worth the effort, given how badly the game bombed).

 

[fiendcode]

I´m content with Atlus Entrian Odyssey HD remasters.

And EO6 on the way afterward.

 

[Person]

It doesn’t look like a game with legs, so this should be an ok and low-effort revenue boost for SH2.

 

[saintsflow20]

-someone beat me to it lol-

 

[gibordep]

The only surprise was that it was not included day one.

 

[fiendcode]

Woof, guess it's finally time to update this thing.

Atlus games by R&D division:

Creative Department 1st Production

Nintendo platforms

• 09.01.11 Devil Survivor: Overclocked (3DS)
• 12.27.11 Sparkle Snapshots 3D (3DS) published by Nintendo
• 07.05.12 Etrian Odyssey IV: Legends of the Titan (3DS)
• 08.30.12 Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers (3DS)
• 05.23.13 Shin Megami Tensei IV (3DS)
• 06.27.13 Etrian Odyssey Untold: The Millennium Girl (3DS)
• 11.27.14 Etrian Odyssey 2 Untold: The Fafnir Knight (3DS)
• 01.29.15 Devil Survivor 2: Record Breaker (3DS)
• 03.05.15 Etrian Mystery Dungeon (3DS) developed by Spike Chunsoft
• 12.26.15 Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE (WU) published by Nintendo
• 02.10.16 Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse (3DS)
• 08.04.16 Etrian Odyssey V: Beyond the Myth (3DS)
• 06.29.17 Radiant Historia: Perfect Chronology (3DS)
• 08.31.17 Etrian Mystery Dungeon 2 (3DS) developed by Spike Chunsoft
• 10.26.17 Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey Redux (3DS)
• 08.02.18 Etrian Odyssey Nexus (3DS)
• 01.17.20 Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Encore (NSW) published by Nintendo
• 10.29.20 Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne HD Remaster (NSW) remastered by I.T.L.
• 11.11.21 Shin Megami Tensei V (NSW)
• 06.01.23 Etrian Odyssey HD (NSW)
• 06.01.23 Etrian Odyssey II HD (NSW)
• 06.01.23 Etrian Odyssey III HD (NSW)

PlayStation platforms

• 10.29.20 Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne HD Remaster (PS4) remastered by I.T.L.
• 08.25.22 Soul Hackers 2 (PS4/PS5)

Xbox platforms

• 08.25.22 Soul Hackers 2 (XBO/XBS) One version ported by ArtDink

Steam platform

• 10.16.17 Shin Megami Tensei: Synchronicity Prologue (PC) developed by Team Ladybug
• 05.25.21 Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne HD Remaster (PC) remastered by I.T.L.
• 08.25.22 Soul Hackers 2 (PC) ported by ArtDink
• 06.01.23 Etrian Odyssey HD (PC)
• 06.01.23 Etrian Odyssey II HD (PC)
• 06.01.23 Etrian Odyssey III HD (PC)

Creative Department 2nd Production

Nintendo platforms

• 06.05.14 Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth (3DS)
• 11.29.18 Persona Q2: New Cinema Labyrinth (3DS)
• 02.20.20 Persona 5 Strikers (NSW) developed by Omega Force
• 03.17.22 Persona 4 Arena Ultimax (NSW) ported by Arc System Works
• 04.12.22 13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim (NSW) ported by Vanillaware
• 10.21.22 Persona 5 Royal (NSW) ported by Sonic Team
• 01.19.23 Persona 3 Portable (NSW) remastered by Preapp Partners
• 01.19.23 Persona 4 Golden (NSW) ported by Preapp Partners

PlayStation platforms

• 06.14.12 Persona 4 Golden (PSV)
• 07.25.13 Dragon's Crown (PSV) developed by Vanillaware
• 06.25.15 Persona 4: Dancing All Night (PSV) co-developed by Dingo
• 01.14.16 Odin Sphere Liefthrasir (PS4/PSV) remastered by Vanillaware
• 09.15.16 Persona 5 (PS4)
• 02.08.18 Dragon's Crown Pro (PS4) ported by Vanillaware
• 05.24.18 Persona 3: Dancing in Moonlight (PS4/PSV)
• 05.24.18 Persona 4: Dancing All Night (PS4)
• 05.24.18 Persona 5: Dancing in Starlight (PS4/PSV)
• 10.31.19 Persona 5 Royal (PS4)
• 11.28.19 13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim (PS4) developed by Vanillaware
• 01.31.20 Princess Crown (PS4) ported by Technical Arts
• 02.20.20 Persona 5 Strikers (PS4) developed by Omega Force
• 03.17.22 Persona 4 Arena Ultimax (PS4) ported by Arc System Works
• 10.21.22 Persona 5 Royal (PS5) ported by Sonic Team
• 01.19.23 Persona 3 Portable (PS4) remastered by Preapp Partners
• 01.19.23 Persona 4 Golden (PS4) ported by Preapp Partners

Xbox platforms

• 10.21.22 Persona 5 Royal (XBO/XBS) ported by Sonic Team
• 01.19.23 Persona 3 Portable (XBO/XBS) remastered by Preapp Partners
• 01.19.23 Persona 4 Golden (XBO/XBS) ported by Preapp Partners

Steam platform

• 06.13.20 Persona 4 Golden (PC) remastered by Preapp Partners
• 02.23.21 Persona 5 Strikers (PC) ported by Omega Force
• 03.17.22 Persona 4 Arena Ultimax (PC) ported by Arc System Works
• 10.21.22 Persona 5 Royal (PC) ported by Sonic Team
• 01.19.23 Persona 3 Portable (PC) remastered by Preapp Partners

Creative Department 3rd Production

Nintendo platforms

• 07.02.20 Catherine: Full Body (NSW) ported by Technical Arts

PlayStation platforms

• 02.14.19 Catherine: Full Body (PS4/PSV)

Sega West (Europe)

Steam platform

• 01.10.19 Catherine Classic (PC) ported by The Eccentric Ape

External IP Collaboration

Nintendo platforms

• 11.07.17 Sonic Forces (NSW) Sega, Sonic Team
• 05.31.18 BlazBlue: Cross-Tag Battle (NSW) Arc System Works
• 12.07.18 Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (NSW) Nintendo, Sora, Bandai Namco Studios
• 11.21.19 BlazBlue: Cross-Tag Battle: Special Edition (NSW) Arc System Works
• 10.05.21 Super Monkey Ball: Banana Mania (NSW) Sega, Ryu Ga Gotoku Studio

PlayStation platforms

• 11.07.17 Sonic Forces (PS4) Sega, Sonic Team
• 05.31.18 BlazBlue: Cross-Tag Battle (PS4) Arc System Works
• 11.21.19 BlazBlue: Cross-Tag Battle: Special Edition (PS4) Arc System Works
• 10.05.21 Super Monkey Ball: Banana Mania (PS4, PS5) Sega, Ryu Ga Gotoku Studio

Xbox platforms

• 11.07.17 Sonic Forces (XBO) Sega, Sonic Team
• 10.05.21 Super Monkey Ball: Banana Mania (XBO, XBS) Sega, Ryu Ga Gotoku Studio
• spring23 BlazBlue: Cross-Tag Battle: Special Edition (XBO, XBS) Arc System Works

Steam platform

• 11.07.17 Sonic Forces (PC) Sega, Sonic Team, Hardlight
• 06.05.18 BlazBlue: Cross-Tag Battle (PC) Arc System Works
• 11.21.19 BlazBlue: Cross-Tag Battle: Special Edition (PC) Arc System Works
• 10.05.21 Super Monkey Ball: Banana Mania (PC) Sega, Ryu Ga Gotoku Studio

And for more nebulous future stuff:

Creative Department 1st Production

• Etrian Odyssey new title (announced, recently reconfirmed)
• Shin Megami Tensei IV & Apocalypse HD (rumored)
• Shin Megami III HD and V ports (rumored)
• Etrian Odyssey IV, V & Nexus HD (Yuzo Koshiro's hopes and dreams)

Creative Department 2nd Production

• Vanillaware "medieval fantasy" project (informally announced, recently reconfirmed)
• Persona 6 (rumored)
• Persona 3 Remake (rumored)

Creative Department 3rd Production

• Project Re: Fantasy (announced)

 

[Tungsten]

Shin Megami Tensei IV HD (rumored)

Wait, for real? How reliable is the source?

 

[Phantom Thief]

Wait, for real? How reliable is the source?

The rumored source is Nick of XboxEra. The assumption is that SMT3-5 will be brought to all modern platforms, much like Persona 3-5, with Xbox also getting them on Game Pass:

STEAM and PS:
SMT4
SMT5
SMT4A (not sure how or even if this one is handleds)

SWITCH:
SMT4 and 4A (if 4A is happening)

XBOX:
SMT3
SMT4
SMT5

No clue what the veracity of the source is, and SMT4 remaster seems incredibly ambitious given the original hardware it was for, but I assume we'll know in a few months either way.

 

[Oregano]

The rumored source is Nick of XboxEra. The assumption is that SMT3-5 will be brought to all modern platforms, much like Persona 3-5, with Xbox also getting them on Game Pass:

STEAM and PS:
SMT4
SMT5
SMT4A (not sure how or even if this one is handleds)

SWITCH:
SMT4 and 4A (if 4A is happening)

XBOX:
SMT3
SMT4
SMT5

No clue what the veracity of the source is, and SMT4 remaster seems incredibly ambitious given the original hardware it was for, but I assume we'll know in a few months either way.

It honestly strikes me as something someone not overly familiar with the game/series would assume. If they did it for Persona they can do the same for the other series, right?

 

[Phantom Thief]

It honestly strikes me as something someone not overly familiar with the game/series would assume. If they did it for Persona they can do the same for the other series, right?

I agree.

It betrays not only a fundamental misunderstanding of the games in question, and how difficult porting them really will be (Nocturne was already a shit show, I don't even want to think about what SMT4 would be like), but also a misunderstanding with the series itself, and most of all, the potential audience for these games. The amount of effort necessary would be insane (far beyond what Persona needed, even with P3P), and the returns will be a fraction of what Persona had.

I can see SMT5 getting ported. I can see SMT3 getting ported. I think any rumor claiming a port/remaster of 4 gets the raised eyebrow treatment from me. I am not saying it can't or won't happen, I just find it exceptionally unlikely that it will.

 

[Tungsten]

It honestly strikes me as something someone not overly familiar with the game/series would assume. If they did it for Persona they can do the same for the other series, right?

Yeah, it's like the influx of people that SMTV brought in thinking it had a ton of cut content because the story was light, even though mainline SMT stories are fairly barebones.

I'll give Nick credit on teasing some Nintendo X Rare/MS stuff in terms of NSO, but this seems a bit out of his wheelhouse.

If SMTIV/IVA gets a port (which is possible given some of the surveys Atlus has sent out) I suspect it'll be Switch/PC ala Etrian Odyssey, at least to begin with, but it's probably a ways out.

 

[Phantom Thief]

Yeah, it's like the influx of people that SMTV brought in thinking it had a ton of cut content because the story was light, even though mainline SMT stories are fairly barebones.

I'll give Nick credit on teasing some Nintendo X Rare/MS stuff in terms of NSO, but this seems a bit out of his wheelhouse.

If SMTIV/IVA gets a port (which is possible given some of the surveys Atlus has sent out) I suspect it'll be Switch/PC ala Etrian Odyssey, at least to begin with, but it's probably a ways out.

The issue is, the best that I know, SMT4 was coded to the metal on 3DS, so getting it running on other stuff will be... an exercise.

The other issue is, unlike EO, SMT4 is a full 3D game. Running at 240p. With 360p sprites. The remastering work has to be insane for something like that.

And this is without discussing Apocalypse. Will they just ignore it? Add it as an alternate route to 4 proper? Keep it as its own thing?

 

[Tungsten]

The issue is, the best that I know, SMT4 was coded to the metal on 3DS, so getting it running on other stuff will be... an exercise.

The other issue is, unlike EO, SMT4 is a full 3D game. Running at 240p. With 360p sprites. The remastering work has to be insane for something like that.

And this is without discussing Apocalypse. Will they just ignore it? Add it as an alternate route to 4 proper? Keep it as its own thing?

Like I said, the extra work would mean it's a ways off if it happens. I imagine if they do go through all of the work for IV then IVA will probably happen as well. Whether they're just bundled together or two standalone products doesn't really matter.

 

[Phantom Thief]

Like I said, the extra work would mean it's a ways off if it happens. I imagine if they do go through all of the work for IV then IVA will probably happen as well. Whether they're just bundled together or two standalone products doesn't really matter.

Yeah I think if it's happening, it's going to be a major effort, and so far down the line that realistically there can't be any rumors about such a project at the moment, short of reports on speculative or exploratory discussions (or maybe early planning at most) that may be happening

 

[fiendcode]

The rumored source is Nick of XboxEra. The assumption is that SMT3-5 will be brought to all modern platforms, much like Persona 3-5, with Xbox also getting them on Game Pass:

STEAM and PS:
SMT4
SMT5
SMT4A (not sure how or even if this one is handleds)

SWITCH:
SMT4 and 4A (if 4A is happening)

XBOX:
SMT3
SMT4
SMT5

No clue what the veracity of the source is, and SMT4 remaster seems incredibly ambitious given the original hardware it was for, but I assume we'll know in a few months either way.

Oof, I forgot the rumor was more inclusive.

It honestly strikes me as something someone not overly familiar with the game/series would assume. If they did it for Persona they can do the same for the other series, right?

I sort of agree but then we saw EO Origin. I think all the DS/3DS dungeon crawlers are probably good porting/remaster material over time really. Maybe the Saturn Devil Summoners would've been too had Soul Hackers 2 not faceplanted.

Yeah I think if it's happening, it's going to be a major effort, and so far down the line that realistically there can't be any rumors about such a project at the moment, short of reports on speculative or exploratory discussions (or maybe early planning at most) that may be happening

I think this is fair, the rumor itself could be (and likely is) bunk but the thing itself could still be on the table anyway. SMTIV and Final being in last year's Atlus survey raised some eyebrows anyway.

edit: Survey results if anyone's interested:

1. Persona 3 (P3 / P3F / P3P) (78.9%)
1. Persona 2: Innocent Sin / Eternal Punishment (78.9%)
3. Persona (76.3%)
4. Persona 4 (P4 / P4G) (74.8%)
5. Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha series (72.1%)
6. Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers (69.5%)
7. Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse (66.7%)
8. Shin Megami Tensei IV (65.3%)
9. Digital Devil Saga series (62.4%)
10. Etrian Odyssey series (58%)

 

[J-Cat]

It honestly strikes me as something someone not overly familiar with the game/series would assume. If they did it for Persona they can do the same for the other series, right?

I agree, this is seems like a rumor started by someone who doesn't even know that SMT4 is a 3DS game. Was SMT4A even mentioned in the original rumor? I don't think it was, right?

SMT is so mucher niche than Persona its hard to imagine this working...

Come to think of it SMT3HD has been out for a couple of years hasn't it? There's nothing preventing that game being on Xbox. It wouldn't need to wait for the considerable work that SMT4 would need.

 

[Vergus]

edit: Survey results if anyone's interested:

1. Persona 3 (P3 / P3F / P3P) (78.9%)
1. Persona 2: Innocent Sin / Eternal Punishment (78.9%)
3. Persona (76.3%)
4. Persona 4 (P4 / P4G) (74.8%)
5. Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha series (72.1%)
6. Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers (69.5%)
7. Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse (66.7%)
8. Shin Megami Tensei IV (65.3%)
9. Digital Devil Saga series (62.4%)
10. Etrian Odyssey series (58%)

Feels bad Atlus still won't port Persona 1 and 2. It's higher on the list and are clearly easier to port/remaster compared to SMTIV/A. As much as people want the latter, it's better to remake SMTIV/A than to port the 3DS version. Many 3DS games were made specifically for the hardware, and a lot of the ports to modern consoles were inferior versions that compromised the game designs (see 999 and TWEWY). I would argue that even with the EO ports allowing touch screen/mouse support, the lack of a second screen still makes it more a chore to play.

People can play SMTIV on an emulator if they really want to, so I don't understand the fervent desire for an inferior port no matter what. It just makes absolutely no sense to me. Is it because people just want to "own" it on their platform of choice? I can understand for games like SMTV because it'll be a better experience (higher/stable framerates + graphics), but not for games like SMTIV/EO/999 which ends up clearly compromised.

 

[saintsflow20]

I agree, this is seems like a rumor started by someone who doesn't even know that SMT4 is a 3DS game. Was SMT4A even mentioned in the original rumor? I don't think it was, right?

This is correct lol. The podcast this rumor started on, none of the hosts knew what platforms any of the games were on.

SMT4A was not mentioned at all no.

It's a quite dodgy source. Mid-last year they said MS was working with NIS America to get some games and from that point NISA has had several showcase events where every game skips Xbox.

 

[BTB123]

This is correct lol. The podcast this rumor started on, none of the hosts knew what platforms any of the games were on.

SMT4A was not mentioned at all no.

It's a quite dodgy source. Mid-last year they said MS was working with NIS America to get some games and from that point NISA has had several showcase events where every game skips Xbox.

If they don't know SMT4 is 3DS exclusive, (they also don't know that SMTV is Switch exclusive?) then they maybe don't even know SMT4A even exists.

I think this was just speculation based on the idea that Atlus would do the same with SMT that they did with Persona.

 

[saintsflow20]

If they don't know SMT4 is 3DS exclusive, (they also don't know that SMTV is Switch exclusive?) then they maybe don't even know SMT4A even exists.

I think this was just speculation based on the idea that Atlus would do the same with SMT that they did with Persona.

They knew about SMTV on Switch but that's about it, had to rewatch it lol.

They just report rumors on what "sources" tell them, so it does at least make sense the hosts don't really know what it is.

 

[J-Cat]

This is correct lol. The podcast this rumor started on, none of the hosts knew what platforms any of the games were on.

SMT4A was not mentioned at all no.

It's a quite dodgy source. Mid-last year they said MS was working with NIS America to get some games and from that point NISA has had several showcase events where every game skips Xbox.

If they don't know SMT4 is 3DS exclusive, (they also don't know that SMTV is Switch exclusive?) then they maybe don't even know SMT4A even exists.

I think this was just speculation based on the idea that Atlus would do the same with SMT that they did with Persona.

LMAO! Yeah it sounds like they didn't even know SMTIVA existed!
If they did, and they knew it reuses so many assets from SMTIV no doubt it would have been bundled into the rumor as well.
I'm not saying Nick is straight up lying, it may just be that he has a bad source that made a lot of assumptions without, ya know googling SMT?

And yeah I remember that NISA rumor from last year, he said some games or "a particular series" would come to Xbox which many took to mean Falcom games like Ys or Trails.

 

[fiendcode]

Probably fake but...



Rumor for SMTIII HD Remaster (Xbox, Windows, Steam), SMTV (Xbox, Windows, Steam) and SMTIV & SMTIV Final (Switch, Xbox, Windows, Steam).

 

[Tungsten]

Probably fake but...



Rumor for SMTIII HD Remaster (Xbox, Windows, Steam), SMTV (Xbox, Windows, Steam) and SMTIV & SMTIV Final (Switch, Xbox, Windows, Steam).

The most believable part of this is that V is skipping PlayStation. Barring DQ, I think any 3rd party game published by Nintendo in a major region (in this case EU), skips other consoles and only goes to PC. The exception? The first Octopath Traveler, which went to Xbox for Game Pass. IV/IVA give me pause though, I thought they were published by NoE, but apparently it was Deep Silver.

Well, actually, III coming to Xbox / Game Pass is pretty believable too. My only real hang up is that I don't think IV/IVA ports are that far along.

 

[Suis La Lune]

looks real to me, the SMT IV slide even features a minimap that i'm almost 100% sure doesn't exist in the original 3DS version

 

[Astrogamer]

The issue is including Switch but excluding Playstation (when Persona was the reverse). And the only reason Switch was excluded was that Nintendo had their own presentation featuring it. I don't see much reason for Sony to do so if they are not getting any exclusive content. The SMT4 screen is new but can be mocked up fairly easily

 

[fiendcode]

The issue is including Switch but excluding Playstation (when Persona was the reverse). And the only reason Switch was excluded was that Nintendo had their own presentation featuring it. I don't see much reason for Sony to do so if they are not getting any exclusive content. The SMT4 screen is new but can be mocked up fairly easily

Presumably it may be a vestigial part of whatever deal (marketing, distribution, localization, exclusivity, etc) Atlus had or has in place with Nintendo. There is also the possibility Xbox/Windows wouldn't have happened without MS involvement (GP deal) and Sony simply isn't bothering (so no PS ports). That's likely why we saw P3P/P4G skip native PS5 release and Octopath 1 skip PlayStation entirely, or things like the delayed Yakuza 7 native PS5 release or PSO2 PS4 localization. Sega actually seems to make these deals with Xbox pretty frequently now.

 

[saintsflow20]

Eh, this seems like a pretty glaring flaw in those images. I doubt this would fly.

Notice the SMT Final protag's mirrored art. The "NO WAR" on his outfit is mirrored. His sidecut is now also on the wrong side. Sloppy.

This is the biggest oddity. There's others like SMT3 and 5 seemingly being Switch screenshots. SMT 3 PC with an Xbox controller gives "colored" Xbox buttons. Here they are the Switch colored buttons instead.

 

[J-Cat]

As well as the other things people have pointed out (no Game Pass logo, no PS logo etc) there is no Atlus/Sega on any of the images.

 

[Leica]

The "&" between IV and IV Final stands out to me because that's not used in Japanese, looks weird, among all the other things. I doubt it's real but I'd love to be wrong.

 

[ktpoison]

What smell more fake is the slide being done almost 2 months before the actual event. Real Atlus would only start worrying about the marketing materials around one week before the concert date.

 

[Zaimokuza]

The "&" between IV and IV Final stands out to me because that's not used in Japanese, looks weird, among all the other things. I doubt it's real but I'd love to be wrong.

They already did it: https://personacentral.com/shin-megami-tensei-iv-final-double-hero-pack-announced/

 

[GoldenFingers]

Probably fake but...



Rumor for SMTIII HD Remaster (Xbox, Windows, Steam), SMTV (Xbox, Windows, Steam) and SMTIV & SMTIV Final (Switch, Xbox, Windows, Steam).

I totally believe this, and I think it is dope that 4 and 4A look like they are being bundled together.

Atlus is just 5-10 years behind most other Japanese publishers in terms of PC support. Persona was the first wave, then moving on to SMT.

SMTV for PC leaked over a year ago, and the Switch performance is so dire that the game totally needs the ports.

looks real to me, the SMT IV slide even features a minimap that i'm almost 100% sure doesn't exist in the original 3DS version

Yeah, that is the big giveaway to me. That seems like a real single-screen port of stuff that was previous on the DS/3DS display.

https://i0.wp.com/v1cdn.destructoid.com/257718_1-620x.jpg?w=640&ssl=1

That's how exploration and combat were laid out before.

 

[Astrogamer]

I totally believe this, and I think it is dope that 4 and 4A look like they are being bundled together.

Atlus is just 5-10 years behind most other Japanese publishers in terms of PC support. Persona was the first wave, then moving on to SMT.

SMTV for PC leaked over a year ago, and the Switch performance is so dire that the game totally needs the ports.



Yeah, that is the big giveaway to me. That seems like a real single-screen port of stuff that was previous on the DS/3DS display.

https://i0.wp.com/v1cdn.destructoid.com/257718_1-620x.jpg?w=640&ssl=1

That's how exploration and combat were laid out before.

Yeah but, it's really simple in photoshop to take a screenshot and take screenshots of the lower screen to splice them into a larger screen. The sign against is that they didn't redesign the UI for the player portrait (see the top left) where it basically looks like they took the slice of the 3DS version and pasted it in the top even though it's super tiny when they could have something similar to SMT5's UI

 

[fiendcode]

Apparently sourcing high res logo assets for SMTIV & Final specifically is borderline impossible (III HD & V are easy though). Fan mockups have to make their own so maybe looking at the accuracy there might give us some indication either way?

 

[GoldenFingers]

Yeah but, it's really simple in photoshop to take a screenshot and take screenshots of the lower screen to splice them into a larger screen. The sign against is that they didn't redesign the UI for the player portrait (see the top left) where it basically looks like they took the slice of the 3DS version and pasted it in the top even though it's super tiny when they could have something similar to SMT5's UI

I could easily see the actual UI element being that small on an HD display. Your party can seriously be 20 demons, I think, and nothing about Atlus' EO or Persona 3/4 ports scream that this is outside of their usual standards.

Platforms also seem plausible and make it seem real. EO ports are only Switch/Steam, but Microsoft is paying for ports with guaranteed Game Pass money so there's no risk. The market supports these turn-based RPGs with modern settings/aesthetics on Xbox vastly more than they seem to supper fantasy aesthetics.

 

[Mekanos]

When was the last time one of these offscreen photo leaks was real? Legit question.

 

[Nokia]

Eh, this seems like a pretty glaring flaw in those images. I doubt this would fly.

Notice the SMT Final protag's mirrored art. The "NO WAR" on his outfit is mirrored. His sidecut is now also on the wrong side. Sloppy.

This is the biggest oddity. There's others like SMT3 and 5 seemingly being Switch screenshots. SMT 3 PC with an Xbox controller gives "colored" Xbox buttons. Here they are the Switch colored buttons instead.

As well as the other things people have pointed out (no Game Pass logo, no PS logo etc) there is no Atlus/Sega on any of the images.

Yeah, there are far to many oddities for this to be true, especially when the closest this could be announced is in May in Japan.
The platform showings make 0 sense either. Nocturne is already on Steam + Switch, so why would it be referenced there. You can't argue because it's showing all platforms they're on with the newly unveiled GP versions because the PS4 is missing. While we know that PS references were removed from V's internal code, that doesn't mean IV and IV:A wouldn't be ported to PS4/5.

That image suggests a Switch port of the IV duology and a Steam port of 4+5 with MS paying for a Gamepass port. I could see MS wanting more Atlus titles on their service but I don't see Atlus ignoring Playstation if they don't have a deal with another company like Nintendo, especially when SEGA wants their games on as many platforms as possible.

 

[CeroG1]

When was the last time one of these offscreen photo leaks was real? Legit question.

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[GoldenFingers]

The platform showings make 0 sense either. Nocturne is already on Steam + Switch, so why would it be referenced there. You can't argue because it's showing all platforms they're on with the newly unveiled GP versions because the PS4 is missing. While we know that PS references were removed from V's internal code, that doesn't mean IV and IV:A wouldn't be ported to PS4/5.

The announcement for P3/4/5 repeated the platforms for all three games, despite P4G already being on Steam. So I wouldn't take that as a mark against it. There were some PR that actually had a breakdown of what was coming for each of the games individually but others that listed all three games for all four platforms regardless of what was already out and where.

That image suggests a Switch port of the IV duology and a Steam port of 4+5 with MS paying for a Gamepass port. I could see MS wanting more Atlus titles on their service but I don't see Atlus ignoring Playstation if they don't have a deal with another company like Nintendo, especially when SEGA wants their games on as many platforms as possible.

Why did Atlus ignore Playstation with their Etrian Odyssey trilogy that they just announced?

They could easily see PS and XBox as the 3rd/4th platforms, but Microsoft is directly paying for the port, which changes the logic.

Atlus' internal logic goes out on the window when somebody is just straight up paying for the port with zero risk to Atlus (unless they estimate that the Game Pass is cannibalizing their own sales on other platforms).

When was the last time one of these offscreen photo leaks was real? Legit question.

Six weeks ago with the Baten Kaitos 1&2 HD Remaster, but that had the benefit of featuring clearly new & professional key art.

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[Nokia]

The announcement for P3/4/5 repeated the platforms for all three games, despite P4G already being on Steam. So I wouldn't take that as a mark against it. There were some PR that actually had a breakdown of what was coming for each of the games individually but others that listed all three games for all four platforms regardless of what was already out and where.



Why did Atlus ignore Playstation with their Etrian Odyssey trilogy that they just announced?

They could easily see PS and XBox as the 3rd/4th platforms, but Microsoft is directly paying for the port, which changes the logic.

Atlus' internal logic goes out on the window when somebody is just straight up paying for the port with zero risk to Atlus (unless they estimate that the Game Pass is cannibalizing their own sales on other platforms).



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The Persona ports only showed off platforms they were announced for because the reveals were split between Microsoft and Nintendo's events. Again, Nocturne is on PS4 and there's no showing of it there, unlike the Persona ports showing off every platform it's on after finishing with the Switch reveal. Unless you wanna say they'll save the PS reveals for later for some reason.

And EO is only on PC and Switch presumably since those 2 platforms are the only ones that can replicate the drawing aspect of the DS with the touchscreen and mouse respectively. At least that's what I went with, and again SEGA wants Atlus titles to be on as many platforms as possible, Atlus wouldn't choose to port their titles to PC at all otherwise if we're going by the "internal logic" your presenting.

 

[GoldenFingers]

The Persona ports only showed off platforms they were announced for because the reveals were split between Microsoft and Nintendo's events. Again, Nocturne is on PS4 and there's no showing of it there, unlike the Persona ports showing off every platform it's on after finishing with the Switch reveal. Unless you wanna say they'll save the PS reveals for later for some reason.

And EO is only on PC and Switch presumably since those 2 platforms are the only ones that can replicate the drawing aspect of the DS with the touchscreen and mouse respectively. At least that's what I went with, and again SEGA wants Atlus titles to be on as many platforms as possible, Atlus wouldn't choose to port their titles to PC at all otherwise if we're going by the "internal logic" your presenting.

Yeah, the platform listing is one of the strikes against this leak, but I think it is so horrifically convoluted that there isn't really a clear way to do it. There's also the problem of how anything coming through an MS event will list WINDOWS rather than Steam.

Regardless of logic or urge to port everything, what is the expected sales ratio for turn-based JRPGs between Switch and PS, or PS and Steam? We see pretty similar patterns across publishers or across franchises from a single publisher. I don't think there's remotely enough evidence to assume Atlus is suddenly a port-everything-to-everything company. The only franchise to get that treatment so far from this is literally their most popular by several times over. We already have some slight evidence to suggest SMTV for PC but explicitly not PS, but this could just be a fake building off the specifics of that other information. Atlus probably went with Switch for EO because turn-based fantasy JRPGs clearly sell hilariously better there. But SMT3HD is one of the very very few JRPGs turn-based JRPGs that sold about as well on PS as it did on Switch, so that pushes how believable it is for 4 or 5 to not come (despite the previous leaks/mines on 5).

 

[J-Cat]

These SMT games could very be ported to other platforms in the future but this "leak" is simply not real and so hilariously bad that I'm surprised it has gotten so much attention.

Regardless of logic or urge to port everything, what is the expected sales ratio for turn-based JRPGs between Switch and PS, or PS and Steam? We see pretty similar patterns across publishers or across franchises from a single publisher. I don't think there's remotely enough evidence to assume Atlus is suddenly a port-everything-to-everything company. The only franchise to get that treatment so far from this is literally their most popular by several times over. We already have some slight evidence to suggest SMTV for PC but explicitly not PS, but this could just be a fake building off the specifics of that other information. Atlus probably went with Switch for EO because turn-based fantasy JRPGs clearly sell hilariously better there. But SMT3HD is one of the very very few JRPGs turn-based JRPGs that sold about as well on PS as it did on Switch, so that pushes how believable it is for 4 or 5 to not come (despite the previous leaks/mines on 5).

We have the very recent example of Octopath Traveler 2 which pretty much flopped on PS in the West, it didn't chart in the Feb PSN chart for US/Canada or EU.
(And for anyone holding out hope it will chart in March for those regions; check the US PSN store right now to see exactly where it is.)
Octopath Traveler 2 is a much more visually appealing and more popular franchise (saleswise) than SMT, so how well exactly would ports of SMTIV and IV do on PS (and Xbox?!), 2 3DS games?

SMT is just so much more niche than Persona. Only the most recent entry has even managed to cross 1 million and that was with Nintendo's help.
It took a huge worldwide marketing push by Microsoft to get P5R to chart on Most Played and Game Pass charts for Xbox, and that's a modern looking and playing game. P4G and P3P were not given the same treatment and they did not chart on the Most Played or Game Pass charts at all, I know because I checked.
Now, would MS throw a bag to have those SMT games ported? Perhaps, but I honestly don't know what result they could expect from that.

I wouldn't expect a huge performance for SMTIV/IVA on Switch let alone these other platforms, even though I would love to see them on modern platforms.

 

[fiendcode]

I don't think Nocturne already being on PS4 really matters if there's not a plan for IV/IVF/V, the games are bring shown together so presumably it means those games are on all those platforms. The Persona announcement listed platforms per title with differences between.

As far as EO, they also have an automap feature and even traditional controller based map drawing. No real reason they can't also be on PS/Xbox tbh.

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Atlus has released a Q&A article for Etrian Odyssey Origins Collection going over several details for the upcoming launch.

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[GoldenFingers]

These SMT games could very be ported to other platforms in the future but this "leak" is simply not real and so hilariously bad that I'm surprised it has gotten so much attention.


We have the very recent example of Octopath Traveler 2 which pretty much flopped on PS in the West, it didn't chart in the Feb PSN chart for US/Canada or EU.
(And for anyone holding out hope it will chart in March for those regions; check the US PSN store right now to see exactly where it is.)
Octopath Traveler 2 is a much more visually appealing and more popular franchise (saleswise) than SMT, so how well exactly would ports of SMTIV and IV do on PS (and Xbox?!), 2 3DS games?

SMT is just so much more niche than Persona. Only the most recent entry has even managed to cross 1 million and that was with Nintendo's help.
It took a huge worldwide marketing push by Microsoft to get P5R to chart on Most Played and Game Pass charts for Xbox, and that's a modern looking and playing game. P4G and P3P were not given the same treatment and they did not chart on the Most Played or Game Pass charts at all, I know because I checked.
Now, would MS throw a bag to have those SMT games ported? Perhaps, but I honestly don't know what result they could expect from that.

I wouldn't expect a huge performance for SMTIV/IVA on Switch let alone these other platforms, even though I would love to see them on modern platforms.

I'm not convinced on the leaks (despite my repeated arguments against the disproof), but I think the pattern being observed by multiple different Japanese RPG developers is that turn-based JRPGs with a fantasy setting do worse on XBox than turn-based JRPGs that have a more modern setting or aesthetic, or Action JRPGs do better than turn-based JRPGs (see Soul Hackers 2 and Star Ocean 6 and Tales of Arise all getting the same platforms).

Besides, Game Pass math screws with everything. If Atlus has a super low sales expectation for Xbox, than their price for a Game Pass port is lower, and Microsoft seemingly wants to throw RPG fans a bone once in a while (such as seemingly just paying for Diofield and Octopath ports that would have never happened otherwise).

Ports of SMT games are definitely happening sooner rather than later. Even by Atlus standards, it makes no sense for Etrian Odyssey to get a substantially higher priority for wider ports than the SMT series (for which V already leaked!), so I think the most likely scenario is that their development time overlapped, and SMT was either more difficult to port (games in distinct engines), or it is just the usual announcement bias of an appropriate Direct happening before the SMT30th or wherever they'd be getting announced.

 

[fiendcode]

But SMT3HD is one of the very very few JRPGs turn-based JRPGs that sold about as well on PS as it did on Switch, so that pushes how believable it is for 4 or 5 to not come (despite the previous leaks/mines on 5).

No, SMTIII HD led on Switch as far as we know. In Spain it led on Switch 62.5/37.5 and in Japan 52.2/47.8. I'd guess most western markets looked a lot like Spain too. This was also years ago though when PS software sales were a whole lot stronger in Japan.

 

[Phantom Thief]

Apparently sourcing high res logo assets for SMTIV & Final specifically is borderline impossible (III HD & V are easy though). Fan mockups have to make their own so maybe looking at the accuracy there might give us some indication either way?

Atlus sent out high res assets for both games years ago to all media. You just have to get your hands on one of those files, it's not that difficult, especially if you know the right people