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Alright, if Sony doesn't want this to become a Vita, they have to position this device as something that plays actual games they are currently making - meaning that it *has* to be hybrid. They don't have the developers to split the load here. This is either something that only plays PS4 games and is a Playstation 4 portable - and since PS4 games are diminishing or should be - that's a no-go.
In my opinion, this will be the Playstation 6. A hybrid console. That is the only way that device will be successful. You don't launch a new system to play old games. You have to sell people on the future potential, meaning this thing has got to play new Playstation games.
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God of War certainly is an example of moving in a different direction.
But it seems like most of their older IP would be hard-pressed to match any of the newer IP like Horizon or TLOU.
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The most relevant new announcement should be Ghost of Tsushima 2.
Sony has never announced huge first party games at SOP's, the biggest being Astrobot I guess?, but they don't do other type of presentation anymore so maybe, or maybe they just show gameplay of other already announced games like they did with Concord. In any case I don't expect anything big party related for tomorrow.
Sony has never announced huge first party games at SOP's, the biggest being Astrobot I guess?, but they don't do other type of presentation anymore so maybe, or maybe they just show gameplay of other already announced games like they did with Concord. In any case I don't expect anything big party related for tomorrow.
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Sony has never announced huge first party games at SOP's, the biggest being Astrobot I guess?, but they don't do other type of presentation anymore so maybe, or maybe they just show gameplay of other already announced games like they did with Concord. In any case I don't expect anything big party related for tomorrow.
Monster Hunter Wilds release date in Q1 2025 (PS5/XBS/PC), possibly even a demo announcement for later in the year.
Agree, at the end of the show with a bit more than just a title showing.
DS2 + MH Wilds + RE9 + SH2 + Ghost 2 would be a nice combo
Interested to see which incentive will they push for the Horizon Remastered, a game that probably everyone who wants it, already owns it.
Some kind of bundle with the LEGO Game? Will they add some DLEesque goodies like they did for TLOU 2 while asking for a 10 USD upgrade for existing owners? Are they finally going to announce the multiplayer? Last one would probably not be the best idea with Monster Hunter around the corner but well, they did the Concord-Marvel Rivals thing.
Nintendo of Europe is sending out very interesting surveys for The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom.
Outside of the usual profiling questions it asks:
- Which Zelda games you played
- Which Zelda game was your first
- How much did you play BotW and TotK specifically
- Put on a scale if you prefer linearity/freedom and isometric/3rd person view (basically classic 2D vs new 3D Zelda)
- Rate the importance of the following: exploration; combat; puzzles
- What did initially put you off from buying EoW (if any)
- Why did you buy EoW. Includes multiple options like: I wanted more Zelda; playing as Zelda; top view; new game mechanics; reviews...
- Rate 1-5 how much you enjoy using echoes for the various tasks (combat, puzzles, exploration)
- What do you think of Zelda (the character) and how do you feel about playing as Zelda
- Do you think EoW is "classic Zelda", "BotW/TotK Zelda", "a mix" or "something new"
- Rate in general combat, exploration, puzzles
It seems to me that Nintendo is really interested having real feedback for Zelda (the character), the absence of traditional combat and abilities and the new powers, and in general what the player actually want from a Zelda game and what should be the balance of 2D/3D and classic/new Zelda.
Generally the Nintendo surveys I get ask far more generic questions.
Outside of the usual profiling questions it asks:
- Which Zelda games you played
- Which Zelda game was your first
- How much did you play BotW and TotK specifically
- Put on a scale if you prefer linearity/freedom and isometric/3rd person view (basically classic 2D vs new 3D Zelda)
- Rate the importance of the following: exploration; combat; puzzles
- What did initially put you off from buying EoW (if any)
- Why did you buy EoW. Includes multiple options like: I wanted more Zelda; playing as Zelda; top view; new game mechanics; reviews...
- Rate 1-5 how much you enjoy using echoes for the various tasks (combat, puzzles, exploration)
- What do you think of Zelda (the character) and how do you feel about playing as Zelda
- Do you think EoW is "classic Zelda", "BotW/TotK Zelda", "a mix" or "something new"
- Rate in general combat, exploration, puzzles
It seems to me that Nintendo is really interested having real feedback for Zelda (the character), the absence of traditional combat and abilities and the new powers, and in general what the player actually want from a Zelda game and what should be the balance of 2D/3D and classic/new Zelda.
Generally the Nintendo surveys I get ask far more generic questions.
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I think Nintendo might be surprised that EoW turned out to be the lowest rated mainline Zelda game. They're trying to get as much feedback as possible as to why that was the case
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It's... not, though? It's got an 86 on both MetaCritic and OpenCritic, which would tie it with Four Swords Adventures. The Adventure of Link and Tri Force Heroes recieved worse scores.
I get that Zelda has an incredibly high standard and that EOW's review score is pretty low for a Zelda game but it's not the lowest ever.
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Unlikely, this surveys are done in advance, similar case to the Paper Mario TTYD. All the survey nintendo has asked this gen are not focused on correction, because that would go against a surveys purpose, its on possible ideas for future games. And if you consider the games they have done the survey with its either remakes (which you might want to see something come back) or new experimental games (something you would like to see going forward).
It's not the lowest. And even if you want to exclude multiplayer-focused titles for whatever reason (even though they are part of the mainline series), then yeah, EoW is technically the lowest rated MC-wise (86%), but that's only one point less than Spirit Tracks and Links Awakening Remake (both 87%).
So yeah, this has nothing to do with any ratings.
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Are those 3 games you mentioned considered mainline entries? I thought they were classified as spinoffs.
In any case, I’m sure Nintendo is disappointed with the scores. This was marketed as the BotW of 2D Zeldas.
Hmm, but I distinctly remember receiving the TTYD survey prior to the games’s official launch. Considering I got the EoW survey close to 1 week after release, I’m inclined to believe that it was influenced by another factor.
Link’s Awakening was a remake. Echoes of Wisdom is the most ambitious 2D Zelda made yet.
Nintendo is clearly curious as to why it was received the way it was. Any company would in that situation
there's no classification system. the closest you got is "has 'The Legend of Zelda' in the title"
By all accounts it has been overwhelming positive so I’m not really sure what they are disappointed by in terms of reception.
The surveys themselves are probably the Zelda team collecting feedback & information; as they are want to do since they like hearing from fans.
There is zero basis for this besides gigantic assumptions, along with another assumption that the survey questions were written reactively based on review scores. The questions are very clearly focused around gauging user reaction relating to linearity vs open design and having Zelda as a protagonist with a different suite of abilities.
Nobody at Nintendo is sweating about Grezzo's first non-remake title receiving high 80s metacritic scores in an experimental title in year 8 of Switch's life. Nor should they be, it's a very positive development as it gives them 1) an additional Zelda studio that has proven they can work on new games rather than only remakes, and 2) evidence that they can successfully carve out space for Zelda titles with alternative lead characters and mechanics, even under the mainline umbrella.
Ok, even if you for whatever reason think that the multiplayer games The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventure and The Legend of Zelda: TriForce Heroes are spin offs, how in the world would Zelda 2 be a spin off?
They're all mainline tbh, even though the multiplayer games thread the line imo. Spinoffs are things like Hyrule Warriors, Tingle games, Link's Crossbow Training, etc.
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You don't launch a game in the dying months of a console's life and expect it to be a mega hit, more that its a game Nintendo expect to sell a solid few million of copies to tidy them over nicely until the Switch 2 is launched, together with Mario Party Jamboree and Mario & Luigi Brothership.
I received a slightly different EOW-heavy survey from Nintendo of America yesterday that I just finished taking. Nintendo knows I bought EOW (I used an eShop voucher tied to the same account they sent the survey to) and one question does seem to acknowledge that, which makes some of the questions about what I know about EOW "as of today" and how they influence my "interest in purchasing" the game a little weird, but as an ex-social scientist who sold my soul to work in marketing instead of academia, I get it, survey design in a corporate setting is a tough nut to crack...
Those are practically the exact same questions I get regularly in Nintendo surveys that they do for various games.
Looking through my emails I got eleven surveys since late 2020 for the following games:
Sniper Elite 4, Picross S4, The Longing, Game Builder Garage, Metroid Dread, a special survey to help make Nintendo products in Europe better, Paranormasight, Nier Automata, AI: The Somnium Files - Nirvana Initiative, Suika Game and lastly a special survey about my previous experiences with the Pikmin franchise earlier this year, maybe because I bought Pikmin 3 Deluxe but not Pikmin 4.
I received it yesterday, and number 11 stood out for me.
Yeah, I didn't mean to suggest that the survey itself was indicative of anything in particular, but thought there were some insights we could glean from specifically what questions they asked, especially since the questions were different in Europe than they were in America. Europe's questions were much more conceptual, asking about abstract concepts like "exploration vs combat vs puzzle" or "linearity/freedom" and "isometric/3rd person view" where the American survey's questions were drilled down into specific mechanics like "riding a horse," "Zelda's Bind ability," and "Zelda's ability to transform into a swordfighter," and also seemed much more interested in specifically measuring the efficacy of their marketing spends (asking about which marketing channels you saw EOW promotions in, and what game mechanics you're aware of).
Videogamer.com had an Interview with Bruce Nesmith from Bethesda: Skyrim Lead Designer admits Bethesda shifting to Unreal would lose ‘tech debt’, but that ‘is not the point’.
Among others:
Speaking to VideoGamer, Skyrim lead designer and ex-Starfield systems designer Bruce Nesmith revealed that the current version of the Creation Engine has been “perfectly tuned” to make the sweeping, reactive worlds that Bethesda creates.
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As Nesmith explains, changing an engine would be a huge shift for Bethesda, and one that would take numerous years to properly implement. This would result in a period of slower development, a long training process and, of course, a massive cost.
“Should they move to Unreal Engine? You have to do a cost benefit analysis,” Nesmith said. “The cost of moving into Unreal would be all the upfront development you’d have to make to try and shoehorn what you’re already used to being able to do into Unreal
“It would be—I’m just going to say a number that’s certainly not the real number—a year or two of technical work just to move it over to the engine as is. And then more work beyond that to tune the engine, to tune the game, to work in it. That’s the penalty side. That’s the risk side.”
Among others:
Speaking to VideoGamer, Skyrim lead designer and ex-Starfield systems designer Bruce Nesmith revealed that the current version of the Creation Engine has been “perfectly tuned” to make the sweeping, reactive worlds that Bethesda creates.
[...]
As Nesmith explains, changing an engine would be a huge shift for Bethesda, and one that would take numerous years to properly implement. This would result in a period of slower development, a long training process and, of course, a massive cost.
“Should they move to Unreal Engine? You have to do a cost benefit analysis,” Nesmith said. “The cost of moving into Unreal would be all the upfront development you’d have to make to try and shoehorn what you’re already used to being able to do into Unreal
“It would be—I’m just going to say a number that’s certainly not the real number—a year or two of technical work just to move it over to the engine as is. And then more work beyond that to tune the engine, to tune the game, to work in it. That’s the penalty side. That’s the risk side.”
New Xbox Showcase for third party games:
"New games are on the horizon Come check out Xbox Partner Preview, streaming October 17 at 10AM PT for a peek at the upcoming Alan Wake 2: The Lake House, Like a Dragon: Pirate Yakuza in Hawaii, Wuchang: Fallen Feathers, and more: https://xbx.lv/3NnMgx0"
"New games are on the horizon Come check out Xbox Partner Preview, streaming October 17 at 10AM PT for a peek at the upcoming Alan Wake 2: The Lake House, Like a Dragon: Pirate Yakuza in Hawaii, Wuchang: Fallen Feathers, and more: https://xbx.lv/3NnMgx0"
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The video says right at the beginning that the game is developed and published by Netease, and under licence from Bungie.
Interesting though cos I didn't even know this was a thing. I'm curious about how it will do in the over-saturated mobile market