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lordfifth said:
They have dropped compared to the previous volume, could be digitial taking a bigger share or something else.

But anything above 500,000 per volme is already top of the industry, don't let demon slayer or the really really wierd conteniued relevance of one piece distract you form that.


Most series reach a peak then decline for a few years before ending, demon slayer ended at its peak, so no decline there, one piece's decline is incridibly slow compared to other series(it took a decade to go down form the peak of 3 something million(in four weeks) to now 1.7 million(which incridibly is still better than pre boost one piece sales), that's not accounting for digital
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Dropping is fairly normal but JJK has been an outlier in awful drops for quite some time now, there's not much of a need for a DS/OP comparison because it looks bad compared to regular non-phenomenom blow ups too. Film somewhat masked this by providing a second boost (which has already been squandered anyway), but if it doesn't stench the bleeding somewhat that million seller (in a month) status will be gone real soon at this pace. As for why, hard to say for sure, but it's probably a mixture of the series getting swept into a bigger boost than it was equipped to serve by DS audience partially spillovering into what was pushed as its successor by media and poor reception for current events.

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lordfifth said:
They have dropped compared to the previous volume, could be digitial taking a bigger share or something else.

But anything above 500,000 per volme is already top of the industry, don't let demon slayer or the really really wierd conteniued relevance of one piece distract you form that.


Most series reach a peak then decline for a few years before ending, demon slayer ended at its peak, so no decline there, one piece's decline is incridibly slow compared to other series(it took a decade to go down form the peak of 3 something million(in four weeks) to now 1.7 million(which incridibly is still better than pre boost one piece sales), that's not accounting for digital
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I know, Jujutsu right now its still bigger than Bleach and Naruto when it was on sales peak.

I just remember it selling even better and Jujutsu is still new to just suddenly drop in sales that much
 
harry mason 1989 said:
jujutsu kaisen fans always hype shibuya incident arc and say it's the best arc in the series so far
And season 2 will cover that arc
So maybe It will help improving the sells in 2023
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Shibuya arc has a lot of hype and it will definitely improve the sales. But it's common to see increase in sales when anime is airing of any manga. The thing to see is how much it will improve the sales.
 
Oricon (Japan) Ranking: Week 39, 2022 (Sep 26 - Oct 2)
RANK./ TITLE - SALES (YEARLY ESTIMATES)

01./ My Dress-up Darling - 138,878 (~2,205,000)
02./ One Piece - 109,754 (~8,070,000)
03./ Kingdom - 85,640 (~3,505,000)
04./ Spy x Family - 82,571 (~8,567,587)
05./ Record of Ragnarok - 61,417 (~1,780,000)
06./ Tokyo Revengers - 61,007 (10,323,996)
07./ Aoashi - 56,307 (~2,375,000)
08./ Jujutsu Kaisen - 54,804 (12,015,361)
09./ Haikyu!! - 52,902 (~2,010,000)
10./ Chainsaw Man - 49,520 (~1,200,000)
11./ My Hero Academia - 42,333 (4,332,191)
12./ Frieren: Beyond Journey's End - 40,000
13./ Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt - 40,000
14./ Detective Conan - 40,000 (~1,245,000)
15./ Call of the Night - 35,000
16./ Blue Lock - 35,000 (~2,420,000)
17./ Slam Dunk - 35,000
18./ The Eminence in Shadow - 30,000
19./ Kuubo Ibuki Great Game - 30,000
20./ World Trigger - 30,000 (~1,815,000)

Week 40, 2022 (Oct 3 - Oct 9)
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To clarify things about the two weekly series rankings:

-Only a handful of series have different numbers between the two. Here, Haikyu!! has the "Jump Remix" edition added to its regular edition and Aoashi has the "Junior" edition added to its regular one

-My Hero Academia is not one of the series that has such differences, therefore I can say for sure that its sales for the week in this ranking are the same as the ones in the other ranking

-The ranking itself up to rank 20 is provided by Oricon, but the numbers for rank 11-20 are estimates, made by myself based on trends, previous weeks, Shoseki, etc.
 
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Lelouch0612 said:
Love the avatar btw ;)
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Thanks! Kingdom fans unite!

Monkey D. Luffy said:
Shibuya arc has a lot of hype and it will definitely improve the sales. But it's common to see increase in sales when anime is airing of any manga. The thing to see is how much it will improve the sales.
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Vast majority of works don't typically reach new peaks via the anime beyond season 1.
My Hero Academia is like a very rare exception.

Jujutsu's season 2 will probably help it get back some of the lost sales.
Jujutsu has always been a very wobbly series sales wise post anime. The current arc reception is definitely not helping as well. Animating the Shibuya arc will only do so much tbh.

Gege needs to change focus in the manga to curb some of that bleeding.
 
Edistat (France) Ranking: Week 39, 2022 (Sep 26 - Oct 2)
RANK./PREVIOUS RANK. TITLE {RELEASE DATE} - SALES/LTD SALES (GROWTH)

05./03. One Piece #102{2022.09.14}
10./05. Solo Leveling #7 {2022.09.21}
12./10. Spy x Family #9 {2022.09.01}
15./06. Tokyo Revengers #20 {2022.09.21}
28./27. One Piece #1 {2013.07.03}
37./35. Spy x Family #1 {2020.09.10}
40./32. Kaiju No. 8 #6 {2022.08.31}
41./48. One Piece #2 {2013.07.03}
47./30. Jujutsu Kaisen #16 {2022.09.01}
48./57. Naruto #1 {2002.03.09}
50./46. Spy x Family #2 {2020.11.12}
63./68. One Piece #3 {2013.07.03}
65./65. Spy x Family #3 {2021.02.11}
67./79. Naruto #2 {2002.10.16}
72./81. One Piece #4 {2013.07.03}
78./92. Spy x Family #4 {2021.05.12}
79./104. One Piece #5 {2013.07.03}
88./103. Naruto #3 {2002.07.06}
96./117. Spy x Family #5 {2021.08.19}
97./129. One Piece #6 {2013.07.03}
99./93. Spy x Family #8 {2022.06.30}
104./140. Spy x Family #6 {2021.11.10}
107./156. Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba #2 {2019.09.18}
109./143. One Piece #7 {2013.07.03}
116./130. Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba #1 {2019.09.18}
117./163. Spy x Family #7 {2022.02.10}
119./176. Naruto #4 {2002.10.19}
124./180. Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba #3 {2019.10.09}
130./78. Witch Hat Atelier #10 {2022.09.14}
132./42. Horimiya #6 {2022.09.21}
134./177. One Piece #8 {2013.07.03}
153./00. Naruto #5 {2003.01.25}
155./98. Animal Crossing: New Horizons #1 {2022.09.14}
156./198. One Piece #9 {2013.07.03}
167./148. One Piece #101 {2022.05.04}
170./00. Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba #4 {2019.10.09}
171./00. Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba #23 {2022.07.06}
173./00. One Piece #10 {2013.07.03}
184./00. My Hero Academia #1 {2016.04.14}
196./00. My Hero Academia #33 {2022.07.07}

Week 40, 2022 (Oct 3 - Oct 9)
 
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harry mason 1989 said:
jujutsu kaisen fans always hype shibuya incident arc and say it's the best arc in the series so far
And season 2 will cover that arc
So maybe It will help improving the sells in 2023
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There’s a rumor that the Shibuya arc will be split cour, so it likely wouldn’t air all in one chunk.

That’s going to take some air out of the sails (and sales). There’s also what 101nemesis said. JJK’s best days, sales wise, are likely behind it.

Edit: My mistake, it looks like it’s NOT split cour after all.

www.animenewsnetwork.com

Jujutsu Kaisen Anime Season 2 to Run for Half a Year Without Breaks

2023 season to cover "Kaigyoku/Gyokusetsu," "Shibuya Incident" arcs
www.animenewsnetwork.com www.animenewsnetwork.com

Still, having said that, I think JJK can stop some of the bleeding readership, but I doubt it fully recovers, even with animated Shibuya arc material.
 
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It was revealed via an interview with Yukinobu Tatsu today that Dandadan volume 1 and 2 have both received a 300,000 units first print for their release in France this week.

To compare, in Japan, the series has 1.7M units in circulation for volume 1 to 6, including digital. So the French release has a higher average print...



This is a new record for a manga first print in the country.
The previous record holders were:
-Naruto Volume 40 to 55
-Kaiju No. 8 Volume 1 to 7 (all volumes so far have had the same first print)
-One Piece Volume 100

These volumes all had 250,000 units first prints.
It took 13 years, but the first print record has finally been broken.

Back then, I had heard that One Piece #100 had received a last minute first print change to 280,000 units, but I have never been able to confirm that, so for now, I'm sticking with 250k. But it wouldn't be farfetched considering how well it sold (way better than any of the other volumes above).

We should find out Dandadan's first week sales next week. The new My Hero Academia volume also released this week (with a limited edition), so it will be interesting to see how they compare. Though I'm personally expecting MHA to outsell Dandadan fairly easily.

Considering Kaiju Volume 1 has yet to reach 200k units sold (when One Piece 100 reached that in a month), I think it's safe to say it and Dandadan have been overprinted. But obviously Crunchyroll (their publisher)) doesn't care. These units will eventually be sold, it will just take a while.
 
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NPD/BookScan (US) Ranking: Week 39, 2022 (Sep 25 - Oct 1)
RANK./PREVIOUS RANK. TITLE {RELEASE DATE} - SALES/YTD SALES (GROWTH)

05./04. Spy x Family #8 {2022.09.20} - 8,828 / 33,926 (-65%)
17./00. Love is an Illusion! #1 {2022.09.27} - 5,273 / NEW
21./05. Solo Leveling #5 {2022.09.20} - 4,438 / 16,331 (-63%)

Week 40, 2022 (Oct 2 - Oct 8)
 
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Rouk' said:
Only a handful of series have different numbers between the two. Here, Haikyu!! has the "Jump Remix" edition added to its regular edition and Aoashi has the "Junior" edition added to its regular one
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It's amazing that even after two years haikyu can still get 2 million copies, amazing performance.
Rouk' said:
NPD/BookScan Ranking: Week 39 (Sep 25 - Oct 1)
RANK./PREVIOUS RANK. TITLE {RELEASE DATE} - SALES/LTD SALES (GROWTH)

05./04. Spy x Family #8 {2022.09.20} - 8,828 / 33,926 (-65%)
17./00. Love is an Illusion! #1 {2022.09.27} - 5,273 / NEW
21./05. Solo Leveling #5 {2022.09.20} - 4,438 / 16,331 (-63%)
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It would be better to write which country these sales statistics belong to, given that atleast 3 countries are monitored
 
lordfifth said:
It's amazing that even after two years haikyu can still get 2 million copies, amazing performance.

It would be better to write which country these sales statistics belong to, given that atleast 3 countries are monitored
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NPD is the US, Edistat is France, Oricon/shoseki is Japan.
 
Dandadan is the new shit. I hope for good sales. It's funny, the characters are cool and the drawing is really really good. Sadly I have to wait for the german release until next spring
 
Dandadan is fantastic. It would be absolutely lovely to see it doing well in France too! It'd add to the whole "redemption arc" for mangaka Tatsu, to go from almost giving up on drawing manga altogether to having an international success story.
 
Syra said:
Dandadan is fantastic. It would be absolutely lovely to see it doing well in France too! It'd add to the whole "redemption arc" for mangaka Tatsu, to go from almost giving up on drawing manga altogether to having an international success story.
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Do you have more info about the "almost giving up"? I only knew that he was an assistant of the chainsaw man mangaka
 
woodhead said:
Do you have more info about the "almost giving up"? I only knew that he was an assistant of the chainsaw man mangaka
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From the interview in French that I posted above:
During the seven years that you were an assistant under Shihei Lin, you continued to submit projects (robots, aliens, beastmen, spirits, etc.). Where does this endless inspiration come from?

Yukinobu Tatsu: From where?! From movies...

How did you not lose hope?

Yukinobu Tatsu: It was difficult. Together with Shihei Lin, we presented dozens of projects that we found interesting to the editorial board. But all were rejected. I was extremely confident about the last one, codenamed Kyonshi. But that one was rejected too. It took away my motivation to continue. I was kind of broken. Before Dandadan, I almost threw in the towel.

How did you overcome this ordeal?

Yukinobu Tatsu: I told Lin, during an annual meeting party where we had a little drink, that I was no longer able to draw manga. He answered me: "Draw what you want but bring something back, it can be a page of illustration, 4 pages of manga or something else. Draw freely, let yourself go, without any pressure, and come and see me." I said okay. And when I drew, I managed to draw Dandadan and we decided to present it to the editorial board.

Shihei Lin: Before Dandadan, and especially with the Kyonshi project, Tatsu-sensei had been working very hard for a very long time on a series of highly polished projects, each of which required a long period of design time. Perhaps by removing this constraint of realization, we freed Tatsu-sensei who intuitively succeeded in realizing a more intimate, more inhabited work.
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We got a manga sales thread now? Hell yeah.!
Just in time to see what chainsaw man will do with a new volume after over a year since the last one and the anime launching soon.
 
War Inquisitor said:
We got a manga sales thread now? Hell yeah.!
Just in time to see what chainsaw man will do with a new volume after over a year since the last one and the anime launching soon.
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I hope chainsaw man anime will help the new volume reach kimetsu no yaiba level
But that's impossible I guess lol
Anyway I think chainsaw man backlog boost will be similar to spy x family
Very good But not crazy good like kimetsu
 
harry mason 1989 said:
But that's impossible I guess lol
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It really is. I’m a CSM fanatic, and I’d urge other fans to greatly temper their expectations if they’re expecting a Demon Slayer kind of boost. Even half that is completely off the table.

The absolute best we can expect is somewhere around what JJK managed to do, more or less. Even that is probably being a little too optimistic. Of course, I could be proven wrong, and it could exceed my expectations, but it’s a safer bet.
 
harry mason 1989 said:
I hope chainsaw man anime will help the new volume reach kimetsu no yaiba level
But that's impossible I guess lol
Anyway I think chainsaw man backlog boost will be similar to spy x family
Very good But not crazy good like kimetsu
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Kimetsu level boosts require a million things to go right and even then it's just something no one can predict.
CSM ain't getting that.

Kimetsu's success wasn't just a manga thing. It was across multiple forms of media - music, manga, novel, movie, merch etc. A true phenomenon.
Its impossible to artificially replicate that level of success.
 
The way I like to think about it is: Kimetsu aside, no series got even close to peak OP numbers. That's the first insane barrier CSM (or any other series) needs to surpass before we even talk about reaching Kimetsu levels.
 
Don’t mind me, just following this thread

CSM will be interesting. MAPPA is bound to deliver a killer anime so we can expect big boosts to the manga’s popularity.
 
revo68 said:
Oricon needs to start tracking digital manga sales very soon. They can do it for music, they should be able to do it for other categories.
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I know it's hard to track digital sales of video game titles, so I'm assuming that it's the same for digital manga sales.
 
Kingdom is when you know someone is a manga reader lol. Been a fan of kingdom since chapter 350-360 was releasing, so almost 10 years now. Love how as I’m growing older, the series feels like it’s growing older with me

Edit: My favorite manga of all time are Kingdom/World Trigger/One Piece/BNHA/HxH. I hope the author of World Trigger gets better, he deserves every sale for his work!!
 
I too wanna see digital sale datas. But isn’t it harder to track because so many digital platforms like book walker, Amazon, iTunes book store, etc.

At least wanna get some glimpse of the percentage of people adopted digital reading life style.
 
NPD/BookScan (US) Ranking: September 2022 (Sep 4 - Oct 1)
RANK./PREVIOUS RANK. TITLE {RELEASE DATE} - SALES (GROWTH)

01./00. Spy x Family #8 {2022.09.20} - 33,926
03./06. Chainsaw Man #1 {2020.10.06} - 17,702 (-20%)
04./00. Solo Leveling #5 {2022.09.20} - 16,331
05./04. Spy x Family #2 {2020.09.01} - 12,327 (-46%)
06./01. Jujutsu Kaisen #17 {2022.08.16} - 11,739 (-72%)
07./00. Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba #1 {2018.07.03} - 11,648
08./09. Spy x Family #1 {2020.06.02} - 11,280 (-42%)
09./00. Chainsaw Man #2 {2020.12.01} - 10,917
10./00. Spy x Family #3 {2020.12.01} - 10,493

NPD/BookScan (US) Ranking: September 2022 (Aug 28 - Oct 1)
RANK./PREVIOUS RANK. TITLE {RELEASE DATE}

01./00. Spy x Family #8 {2022.09.20}
02./07. Chainsaw Man #1 {2020.10.06}
03./01. Jujutsu Kaisen #17 {2022.08.16}
04./00. Solo Leveling #5 {2022.09.20}
05./04. Spy x Family #2 {2020.09.01}
06./09. Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba #1 {2018.07.03}
07./08. Spy x Family #1 {2020.06.02}
08./00. Jujutsu Kaisen #0 {2021.01.05}
09./16. Chainsaw Man #2 {2020.12.01}
10./00. Spy x Family #3 {2020.12.01}
11./03. Dragon Ball Super #16 {2022.08.02}
12./00. Tokyo Revengers (Omnibus) #3-4 {2022.08.30}
13./12. Chainsaw Man #11 {2022.06.07}
14./17. My Hero Academia #1 {2015.08.04}
15./19. Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba #2 {2018.09.04}
16./10. My Hero Academia #31 {2022.07.05}
17./00. Jujutsu Kaisen #1 {2019.12.03}
18./00. Chainsaw Man #3 {2021.02.02}
19./00. Chainsaw Man #4 {2021.04.06}
20./00. Berserk #1 Deluxe Edition {2019.03.26}
21./20. Chainsaw Man #10 {2022.04.05}

October 2022
 
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Kanann said:
I too wanna see digital sale datas. But isn’t it harder to track because so many digital platforms like book walker, Amazon, iTunes book store, etc.
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With music it is the same case (and even more complex due to streaming) and it's still tracked quite easily, I don't know about the manga industry but I would guess that like with videogames is a case of the data not being shared or not as much as we would like
 
Rouk' said:
Edistat (France) Ranking: Week 39, 2022 (Sep 26 - Oct 2)
RANK./PREVIOUS RANK. TITLE {RELEASE DATE} - SALES/LTD SALES (GROWTH)

05./03. One Piece #102{2022.09.14}
10./05. Solo Leveling #7 {2022.09.21}
12./10. Spy x Family #9 {2022.09.01}
15./06. Tokyo Revengers #20 {2022.09.21}
28./27. One Piece #1 {2013.07.03}
37./35. Spy x Family #1 {2020.09.10}
40./32. Kaiju No. 8 #6 {2022.08.31}
41./48. One Piece #2 {2013.07.03}
47./30. Jujutsu Kaisen #16 {2022.09.01}
48./57. Naruto #1 {2002.03.09}
50./46. Spy x Family #2 {2020.11.12}
63./68. One Piece #3 {2013.07.03}
65./65. Spy x Family #3 {2021.02.11}
67./79. Naruto #2 {2002.10.16}
72./81. One Piece #4 {2013.07.03}
78./92. Spy x Family #4 {2021.05.12}
79./104. One Piece #5 {2013.07.03}
88./103. Naruto #3 {2002.07.06}
96./117. Spy x Family #5 {2021.08.19}
97./129. One Piece #6 {2013.07.03}
99./93. Spy x Family #8 {2022.06.30}
104./140. Spy x Family #6 {2021.11.10}
107./156. Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba #2 {2019.09.18}
109./143. One Piece #7 {2013.07.03}
116./130. Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba #1 {2019.09.18}
117./163. Spy x Family #7 {2022.02.10}
119./176. Naruto #4 {2002.10.19}
124./180. Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba #3 {2019.10.09}
130./78. Witch Hat Atelier #10 {2022.09.14}
132./42. Horimiya #6 {2022.09.21}
134./177. One Piece #8 {2013.07.03}
153./00. Naruto #5 {2003.01.25}
155./98. Animal Crossing: New Horizons #1 {2022.09.14}
156./198. One Piece #9 {2013.07.03}
167./148. One Piece #101 {2022.05.04}
170./00. Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba #4 {2019.10.09}
171./00. Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba #23 {2022.07.06}
173./00. One Piece #10 {2013.07.03}
184./00. My Hero Academia #1 {2016.04.14}
196./00. My Hero Academia #33 {2022.07.07}
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you forgot the new book Saint Seiya Time Odissey, i know that technically its not a manga but it was made with overview of Kurumada-sensei and his publisher Akita Shoten who even released it 1st in Japan.
 
Blade82 said:
you forgot the new book Saint Seiya Time Odissey, i know that technically its not a manga but it was made with overview of Kurumada-sensei and his publisher Akita Shoten who even released it 1st in Japan.
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  • Left to right reading
  • French author
  • Full color
  • Hard cover
  • 22cm x 29cm format
  • 54 pages
  • 13.50€ price tag
This has everything of a Bande Dessinée and not much of a manga.
Just like I (and many others) didn't consider the Grendizer (Goldorak) and Harlock (Albator) ones to be manga. And I'm trying to stay consistent on that.
 
Monkey D. Luffy said:
What is the best selling manga in US DBZ or naruto.
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From the little data I can find, Naruto is first, and by far.

This would be BookScan data (so sold-through):
Naruto would be around 7M+ units sold by now. (6M+ as of 2018)
Dragon Ball would be around 3M+ (2M+ as of 2018).
This would mean that My Hero Academia beat Dragon Ball in 2021, and is on pace to beat Naruto within the next few years.
Something like Fruits Basket could be above Dragon Ball.
Demon Slayer too, if we consider what it likely sold so far in 2022.
 
Rouk' said:
From the little data I can find, Naruto is first, and by far.

This would be BookScan data (so sold-through):
Naruto would be around 7M+ units sold by now. (6M+ as of 2018)
Dragon Ball would be around 3M+ (2M+ as of 2018).
This would mean that My Hero Academia beat Dragon Ball in 2021, and is on pace to beat Naruto within the next few years.
Something like Fruits Basket could be above Dragon Ball.
Demon Slayer too, if we consider what it likely sold so far in 2022.
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Those are still pretty small numbers for such a big market.

Is France still the #2 Manga market behind Japan ?
 
Rouk' said:
From the little data I can find, Naruto is first, and by far.

This would be BookScan data (so sold-through):
Naruto would be around 7M+ units sold by now. (6M+ as of 2018)
Dragon Ball would be around 3M+ (2M+ as of 2018).
This would mean that My Hero Academia beat Dragon Ball in 2021, and is on pace to beat Naruto within the next few years.
Something like Fruits Basket could be above Dragon Ball.
Demon Slayer too, if we consider what it likely sold so far in 2022.
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Should be noted that Naruto has 72 volumes against Dragon Ball having only 42 volumes, so "what sold more" would be more fair if we looked at the sales ratio per volume.

I remember when I was a kid and DB's 42 volumes was such an enormous feat and everyone I knew was like "omg, this is the longest manga series ever!". And then came all those newer shounen-series that easily surpassed the number 42 ^^ I wonder if I'll ever see the final Detective Conan-volume ...
 
Lelouch0612 said:
Those are still pretty small numbers for such a big market.

Is France still the #2 Manga market behind Japan ?
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As far as we know, yeah, though I assume China might be bigger (only number I remember seeing for it was an extremely random 700k for Kanokari digital back in mid 2020). But the data isn't really there to argue either way, so, France it is.
 
Lelouch0612 said:
Those are still pretty small numbers for such a big market.

Is France still the #2 Manga market behind Japan ?
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France is still #2 behind Japan, yes.
Part of the reason the US can be considered high in a country ranking is that the average price for a manga SKU is that much higher. In France, it was about 7.4€ in 2021. In Italy, it's even lower. In the US? Over 14$ on average.
That helps a lot in a revenue ranking.
 
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Should be noted that Naruto has 72 volumes against Dragon Ball having only 42 volumes, so "what sold more" would be more fair if we looked at the sales ratio per volume.

I remember when I was a kid and DB's 42 volumes was such an enormous feat and everyone I knew was like "omg, this is the longest manga series ever!". And then came all those newer shounen-series that easily surpassed the number 42 ^^ I wonder if I'll ever see the final Detective Conan-volume ...
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By average it wouldn't be either. Not to take a slight on those series, but the fact that the US blew up in recent years pretty much left their numbers in the dust, they can't compete with the series that are on top of the market now (especially since unlike what happened in France with Naruto finding some new life, the US has really been all about those new series, with naruto selling only 300k to the 2M+ of DS in 2021 w/ boxset breakdown). Realistically speaking stuff like MHA, DS, and CSM will likely join the list in the future easily best them on that metric.
 
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As far as we know, yeah, though I assume China might be bigger (only number I remember seeing for it was an extremely random 700k for Kanokari digital back in mid 2020). But the data isn't really there to argue either way, so, France it is.
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It was reported that dragon ball sold more than 100 million in china in black and unofficial prints.
 
Monkey D. Luffy said:
It was reported that dragon ball sold more than 100 million in china in black and unofficial prints.
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I have never seen a source for it. I know you read it on wikipedia since I argued to remove it altogether a while back. Alas, I do not have the energy nor time to waste arguing with stubborn wikipedia editors over sketchy sources though, it just gets exhausting especially if they are fans of a certain series. The editor claimed it came from some decades old Asahi Shimbun issue, but he never backed up the claim. I took it down once and just let it go afterwards because edit wars are such a time waste.

I'm not even sure who would "report" on bootleg and black market sales. They are bootleg for a reason.
 
Overestimations about the chinese grey market are common, and not exclusive the the gaming community

It's best to ignore those altogether
 
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